Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[zincfinger]

Geographically wrong because of the overall distance traveled to the Pac Ten teams.

Which as noted above is much smaller for the putative eastern division of the Pac than it is for any division of the BigTen.

Traditionally wrong because the Pac Ten doesn't have as much depth of tradition that the Big Ten does.

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying the Pac-10 has superior athletic tradition to that of the BigTen. I'm saying that Texas has a much more similar tradition (substitute "history" or "culture" if you like) to that of Oklahoma, or Arizona, or other Texas schools, than it has to anyone in the upper midwest.

At best, both considerations are a wash; but ultimately, are rather diminished in the academic and monetary prowess of the Big Ten.

I don't understand what you mean when you say the considerations are a wash, but to your second point, I wasn't arguing academic or monetary considerations.

 

[jwinslow]

Apparently the big ten may air some Nebraska games this year even though they won't officially join for a few years.

I'm not watching the press conference, but the Husker board just stated that.

 

[jwinslow]

Some other interesting nuggets gleaned from other boards

The Big 12 asked for a commitment from NU through at least 2016. Nebraska, in turn, asked for a commitment from the University of Texas that it would assign all athletic broadcast rights to the conference and thus not begin its own network. Texas declined, he said.

Per Big 10 Network, Nebraska's application has been unanimously approved by the ELEVEN Big 10 chancellors/presidents to join the Big 10, and it will go into effect in July 2011.

 

[muffler dragon]

Which as noted above is much smaller for the putative eastern division of the Pac than it is for any division of the BigTen.

You're misunderstanding me. I'm not saying the Pac-10 has superior athletic tradition to that of the BigTen. I'm saying that Texas has a much more similar tradition (substitute "history" or "culture" if you like) to that of Oklahoma, or Arizona, or other Texas schools, than it has to anyone in the upper midwest.

My responses aren't based on a mass exodus of Big XII teams to the Pac Ten. Just Texas as a singularity.

Understanding your putative point geographically, I could concede that the average diminishes.

As for tradition, there's OU and A&M in your consideration. If UT came to the Big Ten; then there's Nebraska. I'd concede on the Pac Ten having a little bit more initially; however, I see that as lessening over time.

I don't understand what you mean when you say the considerations are a wash, but to your second point, I wasn't arguing academic or monetary considerations.

Okay.

 

[kinch]

Two posts from the Northwestern Rivals board:

By Kirk Bohls | Friday, June 11, 2010, 03:12 PM

A highly-placed official from a Big 12 school confirmed Friday that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will join the Pac-10 Conference once formal offers are made to them, but said that Texas A&M officials remain on the fence between joining the Pac-10 or the SEC.

"The decision has been made," the official told the American-Statesman. "We're bringing everybody to the Pac-10 but A&M."

Delany NB Presser: Texas is not happening.

I may be in the minority, well I am, but I hope this is true. I would much rather go East, hopefully with Notre Dame (and possible Missouri to the west). Long term, and unity of conference, lends towards this I think.

 

[ScriptOhio]

Except that revenue is a big deal you're overlooking. Nebraska & Colorado are taking a good chunk of revenue with them, and there wasn't much to begin with.

Not only do those schools fail to bring many viewers, but you already have them locked down with your existing B12 viewership. They fail to compensate for the losses, and then they reduce everyone's revenue cut by adding their mouths to feed.

Hey, I agree. I was just being sarcastic. Texas is only looking out for Texas. They are trying to manipulate the situation for their own financial gain. Of course several other schools along with the three conference commissioners are doing the same thing too. So far it appears Larry Scott, Jim Delaney, Colorado, and Nebraska are doing the best job.

 

[redbenn]

Two posts from the Northwestern Rivals board:
Delany NB Presser: Texas is not happening.

He didn't say that, he said they aren't commenting on specific schools when asked about Texas.

 

[MaxBuck]

Financially, the BigTen ... makes more sense, but geographically and tradition-wise, the Pac-16 makes more sense.

And you believe tradition and geography win out over finances?

 

[dragurd]

Well if you were watching he started to say no then decided he'd clarify and by clarify I mean muddy the waters by saying we won't discuss other possible teams in a long complicated diplomat speak.

 

[jwinslow]

Hey, I agree. I was just being sarcastic. Texas is only looking out for Texas. They are trying to manipulate the situation for their own financial gain. Of course several other schools along with the three conference commissioners are doing the same thing too. So far it appears Larry Scott, Jim Delaney, Colorado, and Nebraska are doing the best job.

:cheers:

If Texas wants their own network, then Oklahoma should run off to the SEC and let them have one

 

[kinch]

I know it doesn't sound flashy now, but I think it will serve us well in identity and long term power if we go for Syracuse, Rutgers, and two of Pittsburgh, Missouri, and UConn. Yes I know Pitt brings no $ (and I was always against them until now), and none of these schools are home runs, but I feel it makes us "cohesive" and good with academics and total market share of viewers. I like the blend of traditional powers and rising schools in good territory. I also like the basketball. If we get Notre Dame, of course, knock off another of the last three (Pitt for the reasons above, along with UConn).

 

[bkochmc]

He didn't say that, he said they aren't commenting on specific schools when asked about Texas.

Yep... the way he initially answered it sounded like he was saying "no" but then he clarified that he won't identify any individual institution they are in contact with.

 

[kinch]

He didn't say that, he said they aren't commenting on specific schools when asked about Texas.

Thanks for the clarification. I was very curious about that. I thought they wouldn't decide until Tuesday. . .

 

[jwinslow]

I know it doesn't sound flashy now, but I think it will serve us well in identity and long term power if we go for Syracuse, Rutgers, and two of Pittsburgh, Missouri, and UConn. Yes I know Pitt brings no $ (and I was always against them until now), and none of these schools are home runs, but I feel it makes us "cohesive" and good with academics and total market share of viewers. I like the blend of traditional powers and rising schools in good territory. I also like the basketball. If we get Notre Dame, of course, knock off another of the last three (Pitt for the reasons above, along with UConn).

Why not grab Maryland instead of Pittsburgh? Besides, we have no chance of retaining RR if Wanny is invited to the ball.

WVU could help us perfect our couch burning technique.

UConn is going to the ACC, where they are a perfect fit. Pittsburgh will fit nicely there as wel.

 

[muffler dragon]

Delany NB Presser: Texas is not happening.

Where'd you find this, because I've only seen this:

WildcatReport.com - Message Boards

He's on live now on the BTN. Also did not rule out Texas...won't talk about any particular institution right now. He said he puts a high premium on confidentiality in the process & not "embarrassing ourselves."

He said the conference may not expand more, might make smaller moves, or might make seismic moves. Very cryptic.