Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[TexasBuckeyeFan]

they were started to generate tourism and to get people to go south/west duirng the winter in an era before air conditioning...

Cotton Bowl games in Dallas are usually pretty miserable - cold and rainy.

Now, once the Cotton Bowl moves to Jerry World, it will be very nice.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Cotton Bowl games in Dallas are usually pretty miserable - cold and rainy.

Now, once the Cotton Bowl moves to Jerry World, it will be very nice.

jan 1 weather in dallas>i********> big ten country weather oct 15th needless to say jan 1...

 

[TexasBuckeyeFan]

jan 1 weather in dallas>i********> big ten country weather oct 15th needless to say jan 1...

Heh. I won't argue that. The only problem with Dallas weather in January is that it is wet. If I'm standing at an outdoor stadium, I'll take 15 and dry over 35 and rainy any day.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

Heh. I won't argue that. The only problem with Dallas weather in January is that it is wet. If I'm standing at an outdoor stadium, I'll take 15 and dry over 35 and rainy any day.

Weather

Month Average Rainfall Average Temp (?F) Average Temp (?C) January 1.8" 33 - 54 6 - 12 February 2.2" 37 - 59 3 - 15 March 2.8" 47 - 68 8 - 20 April 3.5" 55 - 76 13 - 24 May 4.9" 63 - 83 17 - 28 June 3.0" 70 - 92 21 - 33 July 2.3" 74 - 97 23 - 36 August 2.2" 74 - 96 23 - 36 September 3.4" 67 - 88 19 - 31 October 3.5" 56 - 79 13 - 26 November 2.3" 45 - 67 7 - 19 December 1.8" 37 - 58 3 - 14

Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year Avg high (?F) 36 39 50 62 73 82 85 84 77 65 51 40 62 Avg high (?C) 2 4 10 17 23 28 29 29 25 18 11 4 17 Avg low (?F) 20 22 31 40 50 59 64 62 54 43 34 25 42 Avg low (?C) -7 -6 -1 4 10 15 18 17 12 6 1 -4 6 Rainfall (in) 2.8 2.3 3.1 3.4 3.8 3.9 4.6 3.3 2.7 2.1 3.0 2.7 37.8 Rainfall (cm) 7.1 5.8 7.9 8.6 9.7 9.9 11.7 8.4 6.9 5.4 7.7 6.9 96.0 Snowfall (in) 8.1 6.2 4.5 0.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 2.3 5.5 27.6 Snowfall (cm) 20.6 15.7 11.4 2.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 5.8 14.0 70.1Month Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Year Avg high (?F) 36 39 50 62 73 82 85 84 77 65 51 40 62 Avg high (?C) 2 4 10 17 23 28 29 29 25 18 11 4 17 Avg low (?F) 20 22 31 40 50 59 64 62 54 43 34 25 42 Avg low (?C) -7 -6 -1 4 10 15 18 17 12 6 1 -4 6 Rainfall (in) 2.8 2.3 3.1 3.4 3.8 3.9 4.6 3.3 2.7 2.1 3.0 2.7 37.8 Rainfall (cm) 7.1 5.8 7.9 8.6 9.7 9.9 11.7 8.4 6.9 5.4 7.7 6.9 96.0 Snowfall (in) 8.1 6.2 4.5 0.9 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.1 2.3 5.5 27.6 Snowfall (cm) 20.6 15.7 11.4 2.3 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.0 0.3 5.8 14.0 70.1

ok that sucks but
columbus jan avgs temp avg high 36-low 20 2.8 inches of rain 8.1 snow
dallas jan avg tem high 55-low36 1.89 rain trace snow

 

[spurrier]

This is amusing. i was somewhat blasted when i brought up the topic of the sec having to play in a ccg. i was quickly reminded that it was the greed of the sec that was the motivating factor for a game like that. i was also reminded that a ccg can boost someone undeserving to the title game and i should quit complaining. Now you will feel what it is like to be a me, a fan that has no say whatsoever in the decision to expand your league. Here is the bottom line..The big ten WILL add a team, you WILL have two divisions, you WILL have a ccg. that game played for greed, may cost a bunch of kids who ran and lifted weights in the winter, sweated in the spring and summer, and left it all on the field for the sake of the University in the fall, a shot at the title. what is ironic, is that because i have been through this before in the sec, i know exactly how fans react to news like this. First they want to know who the new team is, then they want to know how the divisions will be broken down to make it fair. One of your divisions will will be given a name like "the great lakes division" and the other would be called something like "the lake erie division. You will then be obsessed with who the permanent team is from the other division that you play every year. If i am a betting man i would bet that because of the power that OSU holds, a team like Indiana or Northwestern will be your permanent whipping boy from the other side. Finally you will see coaches pushing to make thier out of conference games a bit easier because they have an extra game to deal with. Fans can be high and mighty but if a coach needs an extra win, here come the zips for $60. you will then be like me and get pissed when a pac ten team, the last major conference with relevance to at that point not have a ccg, can sit home on thier duffs and watch a classic ccg like osu vs wisonsin and pray the one they need to lose loses so they can play in the National Championship instead of you. Then when you are out of a national championship game for some bs like greed and complain to a pac ten fan, they will just say "its your own damn greedy fault". and laugh at you as they hold the trophy. It can really suck being a fan

 

[TexasBuckeyeFan]

Weather


ok that sucks but
columbus jan avgs temp avg high 36-low 20 2.8 inches of rain 8.1 snow
dallas jan avg tem high 55-low36 1.89 rain trace snow

It almost always rains on Jan 1 for the Cotton Bowl. I've been to about 20 of them. It rarely fails. We also go through a dry spell in the middle to end of January. The month starts out wetter than the 1.89 would indicate.

I'm not questioning which location is colder. More questioning the marketing of using a bowl game to attract people to Dallas in the winter.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

It almost always rains on Jan 1 for the Cotton Bowl. I've been to about 20 of them. It rarely fails. We also go through a dry spell in the middle to end of January. The month starts out wetter than the 1.89 would indicate.

I'm not questioning which location is colder. More questioning the marketing of using a bowl game to attract people to Dallas in the winter.

well that was the idea. wasnt it sanford who founded the bowl game?
sugar bowl 1935
sun bowl 1935
and of course the grand daddy the rose-1902

 

[mercer_buckeye]

. i have NEVER seen a rebel flag waved at a s.c. game and i tailgate with 80k people a week for 15 yrs.

Maybe you should go to Columbia and check your statehouse.

 

[HailToMichigan]

This is amusing. i was somewhat blasted when i brought up the topic of the sec having to play in a ccg. i was quickly reminded that it was the greed of the sec that was the motivating factor for a game like that. i was also reminded that a ccg can boost someone undeserving to the title game and i should quit complaining. Now you will feel what it is like to be a me, a fan that has no say whatsoever in the decision to expand your league. Here is the bottom line..The big ten WILL add a team, you WILL have two divisions, you WILL have a ccg. that game played for greed, may cost a bunch of kids who ran and lifted weights in the winter, sweated in the spring and summer, and left it all on the field for the sake of the University in the fall, a shot at the title. what is ironic, is that because i have been through this before in the sec, i know exactly how fans react to news like this. First they want to know who the new team is, then they want to know how the divisions will be broken down to make it fair. One of your divisions will will be given a name like "the great lakes division" and the other would be called something like "the lake erie division. You will then be obsessed with who the permanent team is from the other division that you play every year. If i am a betting man i would bet that because of the power that OSU holds, a team like Indiana or Northwestern will be your permanent whipping boy from the other side. Finally you will see coaches pushing to make thier out of conference games a bit easier because they have an extra game to deal with. Fans can be high and mighty but if a coach needs an extra win, here come the zips for $60. you will then be like me and get pissed when a pac ten team, the last major conference with relevance to at that point not have a ccg, can sit home on thier duffs and watch a classic ccg like osu vs wisonsin and pray the one they need to lose loses so they can play in the National Championship instead of you. Then when you are out of a national championship game for some bs like greed and complain to a pac ten fan, they will just say "its your own damn greedy fault". and laugh at you as they hold the trophy. It can really suck being a fan

On the other hand, if/when the Big Ten goes to a championship game, that will make it 99.9% certain that at least one title game participant will have won a conference championship game, and probably both of them. (The Big East is a BCS conference like Florida International is a D-IA team.) The more conferences that have championship games, the less anyone can blame a skewed title game on their presence.

And it's certainly also a possibility that by the time the Big Ten has a championship game, there will be a playoff system in place and it won't matter any more.

 

[martinss01]

The big ten WILL add a team, you WILL have two divisions, you WILL have a ccg.

maybe its just me, but i don't see this happening. i have to believe that both tOSU and scum would violently oppose the addition of a ccg. and they probably wouldn't be the only ones. just from a financial perspective, there is no way on earth anyone can convince me a ccg would generate more money than the game. its just not possible. where the addition of a ccg would either limit the number of times we played via different conferences in ccg's only or would relegate the meetings to trivial and meaningless regular season play or allow for the possibility of playing twice every season. each option makes "the game" well... just another game. nope, not interested. thanks though.

 

[Jake]

Damn Jake, when did I make that post? The night after the game?

After having 2 years to think about it.. I agree with your points.. we lost due to a combination of things: poor O-line play, losing Ginn changed the entire offense, poor D-line play, poor defensive scheme, not focused.

I made that post the night of the game, too. I just didn't make it here...which is also why I didn't see your post.

 

[CleveBucks]

CCG = one more top team with one more loss = less chance of getting two teams in the BCS bowls. No accident that more often than not the Big Ten gets two teams into the BCS slots. That alone generates about $5M more per year.

The only way the Big Ten adds a team is if 1) they're forced to by the NCAA; or 2) it's ND and there are no special privileges given; or 3) Some other school can make a legit argument for inclusion (none have done so yet). The 12th team would have to be attractive to the Big Ten Network's viewership and thus be in a different state than any other team. That would theoretically add another $1 per month per cable subscriber in that state. Most schools that come up in this discussion would actually dilute the revenue/school.

And despite what the Big Ten might say, Ohio State and michigan do hold more sway than the other members when it comes to decisions impacting football. It would take a real sweet offer for both schools to agree to a 12th team, which would mean either both teams in the same division, locking one out of the CCG, or the teams in separate divisons, leading to frequent back-to-back matchups. Either scenario dlutes the tradition of The Game.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

Here is the bottom line..The big ten WILL add a team, you WILL have two divisions, you WILL have a ccg.

Will. Not. Happen. Ever.

 

[Oh8ch]

But, but, but Mili - how can you argue with "the bottom line"?


Conference Championship games as often as not work AGAINST proving a true conference champion. They are there for TV and to make money for the conference because the in CFB - as in most sports - the casual fan can't figure out what games are important. Someone has to tell them.

 

[BuckeyeSoldier]

The only team ive heard mentioned for big ten expansion that get me even remotely excited.... Texas. I would be ok with it if it was for them. Thats about it. We all know the odds of that happening.