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Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

Which Teams Should the Big Ten Add? (please limit to four selections)

  • Boston College

    Votes: 32 10.2%
  • Cincinnati

    Votes: 19 6.1%
  • Connecticut

    Votes: 6 1.9%
  • Duke

    Votes: 21 6.7%
  • Georgia Tech

    Votes: 55 17.6%
  • Kansas

    Votes: 46 14.7%
  • Maryland

    Votes: 67 21.4%
  • Missouri

    Votes: 90 28.8%
  • North Carolina

    Votes: 39 12.5%
  • Notre Dame

    Votes: 209 66.8%
  • Oklahoma

    Votes: 78 24.9%
  • Pittsburgh

    Votes: 45 14.4%
  • Rutgers

    Votes: 40 12.8%
  • Syracuse

    Votes: 18 5.8%
  • Texas

    Votes: 121 38.7%
  • Vanderbilt

    Votes: 15 4.8%
  • Virginia

    Votes: 47 15.0%
  • Virginia Tech

    Votes: 62 19.8%
  • Stay at 12 teams and don't expand

    Votes: 27 8.6%
  • Add some other school(s) not listed

    Votes: 25 8.0%

  • Total voters
    313
Oh8ch;1185725; said:
Correct. I hear IU makes great Potato Salad.

Ouch. First of all one of the premier music programs in the US, Alums include Ernie Pyle and Hoagie Carmichael, 7 Olympic gold medals winner Mark Spitz (and Dan Qualyle is not. Big bonus points there) Outstanding art programs, perhaps the prettiest campus in the Big 10, used to have one of the outstanding track and cross country programs in the US, Coaches Mc cracken and Knight are near the tops in NCAA total wins, and last, but far from least, I can get a ticket to see the Bucks play the Hoosiers in Bloomington a hell of a lot easier, and cheaper, than I can in Columbus.
 
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I have always thought Pitt made sense for the 12th team to be in the Big 10. It would give Penn State a nice rival. It doesn't make the geographical footprint of the conference any larger, which probably isn't what the conference wants. Syracuse and Rutgers would open up more people to the Big 10 and allows the conference to market to more people. I personally don't like conference Championship games, so if the Big 10 stays at 11 teams, I would be happy.
 
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Pitt. Tha name says it all. Lousy facilities unless you count the city's stadium. It would be like bringing U Cincinnati into the Big 10. Penn State has more rivalry than it can handle right now with OSU always on their schedule and their historic Big East challenger was Syracuse.

In fact, can you imagine how many Big East titles PSU would have won had they remained in the Big East? JoePa must be kicking himself in the ass...
 
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buckeyefool;1187013; said:
You can't really say you are the toughest conference when you don't play against other big conferences.
i understand your point but it isnt just me with that opinion. just pick up any magazine about cfb and look in the front where they rank the conferences. Sec is tops in all publications. How that translates to wins against the big ten i dont know. What i do know is that it would be cool to see some season matchups between the two conferences. If i am not mistaken although the sec has done very well in the ncg recently the lower bowls are pretty even..I wish South Carolina could play you guys again. When we beat you guys earlier in the decade your program was in a state of turmoil with cooper and ours was pretty good. Now your program is elite and ours is much improved. unforftunately since we already play the big 4 in the sec along with out of conference clemson we have a tough enough time. South Carolina also tries to regionalize away games with other conferences so we can travel. We played UNC last year and NC State this year. Those two schools are in no way powerhouses but at least we can be there in 3 hrs. that Michigan vs Fla game last year was a great bowl.
 
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spurrier;1187315; said:
i understand your point but it isnt just me with that opinion. just pick up any magazine about cfb and look in the front where they rank the conferences. Sec is tops in all publications. How that translates to wins against the big ten i dont know. What i do know is that it would be cool to see some season matchups between the two conferences. If i am not mistaken although the sec has done very well in the ncg recently the lower bowls are pretty even..I wish South Carolina could play you guys again. When we beat you guys earlier in the decade your program was in a state of turmoil with cooper and ours was pretty good. Now your program is elite and ours is much improved. unforftunately since we already play the big 4 in the sec along with out of conference clemson we have a tough enough time. South Carolina also tries to regionalize away games with other conferences so we can travel. We played UNC last year and NC State this year. Those two schools are in no way powerhouses but at least we can be there in 3 hrs. that Michigan vs Fla game last year was a great bowl.

I have a good deal of respect for SEC football, possibly tougher from top to bottom than any other conference. I would like to point out however that you are always playing in the South. The North in North Carolina and North Carolina State is relative only to the rest of the South.

There are some historic reasons why SEC teams don't travel out of the South and don't invite northern teams in. As one old enough to remember when Syracuse was invited to the Cotton Bowl but asked to leave Jim Brown at home, I find it ironic to look at an SEC game today and see all the Black talent on the field and the rebel battle flag flapping in the background. I grant you that life was no racial paradise in the North either, but those images are still fresh in my mind. It is also true that the games which determine the final national standings are all played well south of the Mason - Dixon line. Idaho, Detroit and Tornoto have yet to host a bowl that determined much of anything.

When USCalifornia wins an NC playing Ohio State, in Columbus, in January, when LSU defeats Michigan, in Ann Arbor, in December, when Miami beats Wisconsin in New York on New Years Day, I'll have more faith in the overall quality of football outside the Big 10.
 
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spurrier;1186937; said:
thanks for your thoughts guys. the only post i didnt agree with was some guy saying that the sec teams basically didnt have the guts to play the big ten teams and just played each other to pad our strength of schedules. firstly, i hope there is proof that an sec team refused to play a big ten team. If there is i would like to know about it. Next, and the biggest reason is that, besides having to possibly play in a ccg at the end of the year against the other sides best, an sec team has a tough enough road to deal with in its own right. The sec is the toughest conference for a reason. You first has to play fla, ga, ut, and lsu. additionally clemson is on the schedule as an out of conference mainstay. that is exactly why we dont need to play the big ten in the regular season. We save it until the end.

SEC teams generally play weak OOC schedules (apologies Gatorubet, Florida much better this year). How about some of these powerhouses on the other SEC team schedules (often on multiple SEC schedules): East Carolina, Eastern Kentucky, Tennessee Martin, Louisiana Monroe, Samford, Wofford, UTEP, Rice, Army...c'mon, be serious.

Most of the teams play almost all of their games at home every year. You will not see a ranked Big Ten, Big 12, Pac 10 or etc game on the schedule...ever...away. In fact, I just looked and, although I don't know where some of these little Mickey Mouse schools are, I can't see one game played against a team north of the Mason-Dixon line. If there is a game against a team west of the Mississippi, then it is at the SEC home grounds and it's a real pushover.

So, my point is this. Power ratings reward primarily wins. If you win all your games against OOC teams then you enter the conference schedule unbeaten and with inflated power ratings. Once teams enter league play with inflated power ratings, the effects are preserved because every team has higher ratings than deserved.

You guys lose a couple and, well, "we're the SEC and geez are we tough. We don't need to play anybody else who's tough." Like I said, we'd love to see you good old boys come on up to Midwest in November and play a game in the cold rain and snow. Heck, we'd like to see you venture out from behind your momma's skirt and play games against good teams anywhere else.

I think that the SEC is a really good conference and maybe even the best. We have a lower division school on our schedule in recent years, as Youngstown State is moving up to the upper division. We got mired into playing more in-state teams than many fans would like because of the state government wanting to maximize the financial effects of that. But, we play a tough ranked team every year and, yes, SEC teams have refused to play us in home and home series.

Before you guys can crow about how your league is everything, you need to show up like men and play tough teams away from home. And I mean far away from home like California and Ohio and play in something other than 70 degree weather.

Until then, I'm sticking to what I said.
 
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cincibuck;1187406; said:
I have a good deal of respect for SEC football, possibly tougher from top to bottom than any other conference. I would like to point out however that you are always playing in the South. The North in North Carolina and North Carolina State is relative only to the rest of the South.

There are some historic reasons why SEC teams don't travel out of the South and don't invite northern teams in. As one old enough to remember when Syracuse was invited to the Cotton Bowl but asked to leave Jim Brown at home, I find it ironic to look at an SEC game today and see all the Black talent on the field and the rebel battle flag flapping in the background. I grant you that life was no racial paradise in the North either, but those images are still fresh in my mind. It is also true that the games which determine the final national standings are all played well south of the Mason - Dixon line. Idaho, Detroit and Tornoto have yet to host a bowl that determined much of anything.

When USCalifornia wins an NC playing Ohio State, in Columbus, in January, when LSU defeats Michigan, in Ann Arbor, in December, when Miami beats Wisconsin in New York on New Years Day, I'll have more faith in the overall quality of football outside the Big 10.
oh geesh..You had 1 idiot on espn wave a rebel flag and you make it sound like we all are redneck, nascar, lynard skynard, charlie daniels loving rednecks who arent stepping into the 21st century. i have NEVER seen a rebel flag waved at a s.c. game and i tailgate with 80k people a week for 15 yrs. there is one school out of the nation, ole piss, i mean ole miss, who flies that flag. Let me tell you, if it were an issue as you say we wouldnt have black players commit to them. btw, just so you can get a view from someone born and raised in south carolina, the rebel flag is a representation of peoples heritage. Through politics it represents something tragic. Many good people flew the flag but now sadly realize that what that flag meant to them no longer is what it is represented now. political correctness is slowly choking free expression. understanding that, all but a few percentage points of people who, due to lack of interest or honestly thinking nothing is wrong, have removed all signs of that flag. next, like i said before..we have a brutal schedule already. i dont mind our schedule..clemson and nc state is pretty good for out of conference
 
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Are you seriously saying there is not a single Rebel flag propped up on a pick-up truck outside of South Carolina's stadium on a gameday? I don't believe that for one second. I mean, just drive to a gas station [or fireworks outlets] in Myrtle Beach and there are multiple confederate flags.
 
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Shivvy77;1187492; said:
Are you seriously saying there is not a single Rebel flag propped up on a pick-up truck outside of South Carolina's stadium on a gameday? I don't believe that for one second. I mean, just drive to a gas station [or fireworks outlets] in Myrtle Beach and there are multiple confederate flags.
i am saying for a 100% fact that i have never seen a rebel flag at a s.c. football game and i have been a season ticket holder for 15 yrs. that is all i can say. if you dont believe me than i cant help that. Now, do i see them at a nascar event..hell yeah. do i see them on some pick up trucks, hell yeah. you arent going to change that. at carolina games , i do see tons of gamecock flags and a few skull and crossbone flags. when darius rucker from hootie made it his personal agenda to rid the rebel flag, it was at the statehouse.
 
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