Big Ten and other Conference Expansion

[mross34]

You're further proving Mililani's point. There was more hype in 2006 because the media caused more hype. Internal to Ann Arbor and Columbus, The Game was just as important in 2008. Without that victory, we would not have had a share of the Big10 championship.

I can tell you I was significantly more excited for the game in 2006 than the game in 2008, other than the fact that I was looking forward to a good old fashioned beatdown. For the hardcore fans that might not make a huge difference, but for the more casual portion of the fan base, it could make a huge difference.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

For the hardcore fans that might not make a huge difference, but for the more casual portion of the fan base, it could make a huge difference.

If you're a "casual" Buckeye fan, then you need to get the fuck off of Buckeye Planet...

 

[FCollinsBuckeye]

If you're a "casual" Buckeye fan, then you need to get the fuck off of Buckeye Planet...

 

[Gatorubet]

If you're a "casual" Buckeye fan, then you need to get the [censored] off of Buckeye Planet...

Woof...Nutria....Aubie...get the bags packed boys!

 

[Jaxbuck]

I can tell you I was significantly more excited for the game in 2006 than the game in 2008, other than the fact that I was looking forward to a good old fashioned beatdown. For the hardcore fans that might not make a huge difference, but for the more casual portion of the fan base, it could make a huge difference.

So if I'm caught up here, scUM sucking ass diminishes the rivalry in the eyes of casual fans and the media? Perhaps its already been answered but remind me why we should give a flying fuck what the media or casual fans think?

This misguided notion that we somehow need a good scUM for the good of the B10 or The Game is nonsense and so far from "fact" its scary. As I have said before I hope they lose so much they quit the fucking sport.

Fuck M*ch*gan.

 

[powerlifter]

So if I'm caught up here, scUM sucking ass diminishes the rivalry in the eyes of casual fans and the media? Perhaps its already been answered but remind me why we should give a flying fuck what the media or casual fans think?

This misguided notion that we somehow need a good scUM for the good of the B10 or The Game is nonsense and so far from "fact" its scary. As I have said before I hope they lose so much they quit the fucking sport.

Fuck M*ch*gan.

The same people that say they don't give a shit about any opponent in the big ten will be the same people whining about how the buckeyes are getting screwed by the polls,and act as if some conspiracy is taking place and/or how the big ten gets little credit. I would gladly take a win over a higher ranked michigan every year. Do I give a shit about michigan? No,but I do give a shit about quality wins that can lead to higher rankings. There is a bigger picture..

 

[Buckeye86]

You're further proving Mililani's point. There was more hype in 2006 because the media caused more hype. Internal to Ann Arbor and Columbus, The Game was just as important in 2008. Without that victory, we would not have had a share of the Big10 championship.

I am not talking about in the media, I am talking about on campus in the week before the game, I am talking about the Mirror Lake jump, and I am talking about in the stadium.

I was there, it was not the same.

But whatever, this isn't an argument that is going to be won so might as well just drop it.

 

[mross34]

I am not talking about in the media, I am talking about on campus in the week before the game, I am talking about the Mirror Lake jump, and I am talking about in the stadium.

I was there, it was not the same.

But whatever, this isn't an argument that is going to be won so might as well just drop it.

+1. I can't remember a Michigan game I was less excited for than this past year's version. Granted I was still excited, but I'll take 2004-2006 over 2007-2009 any day.

 

[Jozymozy]

Rutgers brings the NY market. For a good discussion about this, check out the WV board.

A buddy of mine brought this(NY Market exposure) up to me...not a bad point. The only thing is, they only get exposure as long as they're winning. As unlikely as it may be, I would rather see Pittsburgh join us. They already fit the profile, both geography wise and philosophy wise, and have an instant in-state rivalry with the Nittany Lions.

Mizzou- not a bad second choice.

Notre Dame? Nah. They want to keep playing for nothing each year, let them. Good luck.

Texas/Nebraska- WAY too far away. It doesn't make sense (with the Longhorns, especially) to drag these guys thousands of miles out of the way to complete their conference schedule.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The same people that say they don't give a shit about any opponent in the big ten will be the same people whining about how the buckeyes are getting screwed by the polls,and act as if some conspiracy is taking place and/or how the big ten gets little credit. I would gladly take a win over a higher ranked michigan every year. Do I give a shit about michigan? No,but I do give a shit about quality wins that can lead to higher rankings. There is a bigger picture..

A weak conference never hurt Nebraska, Miami or FSU in their most recent heydays.

OSU gets back on a streak of winning the the big OOC games and polls/rankings/media love take care of themselves regardless of what any other B10 school does.

 

[Gatorubet]

The same people that say they don't give a [censored] about any opponent in the big ten will be the same people whining about how the buckeyes are getting screwed by the polls,and act as if some conspiracy is taking place and/or how the big ten gets little credit. I would gladly take a win over a higher ranked michigan every year. Do I give a [censored] about michigan? No,but I do give a [censored] about quality wins that can lead to higher rankings. There is a bigger picture..

The almost dead heat between Michigan and Florida in 2006 would not even exist if the situation had been repeated in 2007,08, or 09, as by then the SEC was seen as the stronger conference (no matter the right or wrong of it).

So that is a correct statement, as conference reputation can certainly decide which bowl awaits your individual team at the end of the year - again, rightly or wrongly. But you cannot "not care" about the premier teams in your conference being seen as weak, as it can bite your own team in the ass come January - or December...

 

[powerlifter]

A weak conference never hurt Nebraska, Miami or FSU in their most recent heydays.

OSU gets back on a streak of winning the the big OOC games and polls/rankings/media love take care of themselves regardless of what any other B10 school does.

Those were extremely dominating teams,and not what i'd consider recent.

 

[Gatorubet]

A weak conference never hurt Nebraska, Miami or FSU in their most recent heydays.

OSU gets back on a streak of winning the the big OOC games and polls/rankings/media love take care of themselves regardless of what any other B10 school does.

For the conference winner it is no big deal. But for a one or two loss team, it can make a difference in what bowl you go to, and if it is a BCS bowl or not. You are right Jax, for the top of the pile it is not a big deal. And if you don't really care if the rest of the conference is thought of as dog [censored], than no worries...but as Power points out, when you get down to a damn near tie vote in the polls, how your conference is seen can make a difference.

As much as I hate Georgia, I want to beat them when the loss ruins their shot at a division or SEC championship (or like 2002, a MNC), instead of beating Kentucky for the umpteenth time. If Michigan becomes an automatic "gimme" win, it has to detract from the experience a little bit. Which was more fun, beating them in 06 or 08?

 

[zwem]

I dont understand why people keep saying this...

Someone make an arguement to me as to WHY pitt makes any sense at all... they are average at football and good at basketball, they dont add a new state or market, they would seem to detract from recruiting for the other big10 schools, and are their academics really on par either? the only positive i see for them is basketball and thats just not enough.

as for ND, everyone wants to say texas isnt a cultural fit, ND isnt a cultural fit. sure you take them due to their media pull and tradition but academics and culture do not fit.

They are the only two on that list that I thought would fit.

Texas just isn't a good fit. What would Texas do about their OOC schedule? Their rivals are Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Baylor, and Texas Tech. I know most people don't care about that, but what about hardcore Texas fans who care about their rivalries? The history and tradition of the big ten would drop. It has always been about the Midwest. Texas belongs in the conference they are in with the rivalries and location.

I don't see what being average in football has anything to do with it. Pitt actually had a good year and their biggest loss was by a touchdown. They aren't a powerhouse, but they could have probably finished in the top 3 or 4 in the big ten last year. The big negative is they don't bring in a new market.

ND already has rivalries with several teams in the big ten. It seems in recent years Ohio St fans just flat out hate ND. I don't know why but if they joined you guys could pound on them. Which conference would ND's academics and culture fit? Which would be the best conference for them if they were to join one?

 

[BUCKYLE]

For the conference winner it is no big deal. But for a one or two loss team, it can make a difference in what bowl you go to, and if it is a BCS bowl or not. You are right Jax, for the top of the pile it is not a big deal. And if you don't really care if the rest of the conference is thought of as dog shit, than no worries...but as Power point out, when you get down to a damn near tie vote in the polls, how your conference is seen can make a difference.

Our conference is seen as weak, yet we still have two teams in the BCS.