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BB73;696147; said:
More hyping of the Rose Bowl, since it's the only BCS game ABC/ESPN gets to televise.

And tOSU is in the Championship game. We fans shouldn't get bothered by every perceived slight each time ESPN analysts don't heap unmatched praise on every aspect of the Buckeyes. They gave that hype to Oklahoma in '03 and USC in '05 and it sure didn't matter when they played their final games.
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If that was the case, why would the first analysts (I think it was Flutie) pick Florida with the best WR corp. It went Flutie with UF, Holtz spitting out tsun and May gagging out USC. I don't even know how SCum even got in the running on this question as Breaston is overrated (really more of a threat on special teams than as a WR) and Aarington is no where near the #2 Gonzo is.

It would be hard for me to unbiasedly pick between MM, Jarett and Ginn as who is the best #1, but our depth 1-3 (NOBODY can touch us 1-5) is the best, no doubt about it.
 
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My belief is that everyone will unmistakably know just how good the Buckeyes receiver corps is after Jan. 8th's show in the middle and outsides of the Florida Gator defense. The proof will be on the national stage for everyone to see and believe in.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;696428; said:
How can you prove which guy was kicked away from more?
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Can't prove anything without watching every game this season. The numbers I have don't take into account fair catches, touchbacks, and out-of-bounds punts, and when you go through the play-by-plays of each game, they don't differentiate between a fair catch and a return. But I'll take a stab anyway.

OSU's opponents punted 73 times - Ginn returned 24 of them (33%)
Michigan's opponents punted 80 times - Breaston returned 29 of them (36%)

On kickoffs, Ginn returned 17, and his teammates returned 9. Breaston returned 17, and his teammates returned 11.

Punts are harder to tell because of all the different things that can happen, but the numbers play out pretty evenly. I think it's safe enough to say that both returners were treated more or less the same on punts. As far as kickoffs, that's a little easier to draw a conclusion. Teams successfully kicked away from Ginn 9 times and Breaston 11 times. Again, it's pretty even. I don't know who OSU normally put back there with Ginn, but Michigan mostly used Sears, who returned 5 kicks, the result of the opponent successfully kicking away from Breaston. Oluigbo had 3 returns, which were definitely squib kicks.
 
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Arrington is nowhere near the #2 receiver that Ginn or Jarrett are. (I consider Gonzo and Smith as the #1s) The idea of Breaston being half as good as Robo or Turner is ridiculous as well.
Jarrett and Ginn both have 59 receptions for 750+ yards and 9 / 10 TDs. Arrington has 36 for 510 and 7 TD. Arrington is a legit receiver, but he is not the playmaker that Ginn, Gonzo, Jarret, Smith, and Manningham are. Before you bring up that Michigan throws less again,
Smith 297 attempts
Henne 287 attempts
Booty 391 attempts
The only one that argument applies to is USC. As I'm sure you'll remember, we have 2 very capable backs that get plenty of carries as well. So you can quit pretending that Hart sucks all the touches away from your receivers.

Robo has made some great plays for us this year -- including embarassing your own secondary twice. Catching a rope against Iowa for a TD, and other plays already mentioned. Breaston cannot make those catches. He can barely catch the ball on a quick slant route as it is.
 
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23Skidoo;696473; said:
Arrington is nowhere near the #2 receiver that Ginn or Jarrett are. (I consider Gonzo and Smith as the #1s) The idea of Breaston being half as good as Robo or Turner is ridiculous as well..
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Well said, I agree. Manningham, Ginn ,and Gonzo are game makers.
Arrington is a pretty solid receiver, but not in their league.
Breaston is a better return man than he is a wr. He can be covered way too easy.
Robo is as good as Arrington. Our wr's are better.
 
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OregonBuckeye;696477; said:
Then you are just wrong. Ginn and Jarett are their respective teams' #1 reciever. That's not even really debatable. They are the #1 targets.
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As alreay noted, a lot of Ginn's touches are from the screens we throw to him -- and also the reason his YPR isn't very good. So I think there is an argument to be made for Gonzalez. I personally have him as #1 just because he is TS' favorite target on 3rd and long.
As for Smith -- he pretty much is their #1: more receptions, more yards, more YPR. The only thing Jarrett has over him is 2 TDs. I suppose you could argue that Jarrett missed a game, though.
Anyway, the fact that it's very debatable who is the #1 receiver for Ohio State and USC and there is no such debate whatsoever in regard to Michigan only helps my point in the end. :biggrin:
 
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OregonBuckeye;696482; said:
No, I mean they just aren't. You can argue that Gonzo is better than Ginn(though he isn't) and Smith is better than Jarett but that doesn't change the fact that Ginn and Jarett are #1 recievers.
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How so? Can you please explain this bit of football to me please? Are they simply #1 receivers because they get the most hype or can you specifically tell me that they are the #1 read/option on a majority of plays?

I think you are letting your opinion get in the way of simple logic.
 
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Best Buckeye;696481; said:
Robo is as good as Arrington.
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Oh my....

Despite Breaston's statistical superiority to Robiskie, the arguments for Robiskie being better than Breaston are at least worth listening to (even though I'm still not convinced). Better hands, etc.

But Robiskie = Arrington? Across the stat sheet, Arrington has better everything. Check that - Robiskie does have one advantage. His longest catch is for 39 yards, Arrington's for 37. The rest of it - receptions, yards, ypc, ypg, touchdowns....all Arrington.
 
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osugrad21;696499; said:
How so? Can you please explain this bit of football to me please? Are they simply #1 receivers because they get the most hype or can you specifically tell me that they are the #1 read/option on a majority of plays?

I think you are letting your opinion get in the way of simple logic.
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What don't you understand? Ginn=#1 option on Ohio St. Jarett=#1 option of USC(unless that's changed with his injury). I'm not talking about who is better.
 
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HailToMichigan;696503; said:
Oh my....

Despite Breaston's statistical superiority to Robiskie, the arguments for Robiskie being better than Breaston are at least worth listening to (even though I'm still not convinced). Better hands, etc.

But Robiskie = Arrington? Across the stat sheet, Arrington has better everything. Check that - Robiskie does have one advantage. His longest catch is for 39 yards, Arrington's for 37. The rest of it - receptions, yards, ypc, ypg, touchdowns....all Arrington.
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Arrington is your #2 reciever, of course he has more catches. Put Arrington on our team and how many catches does he make? Does he even get in a game?
 
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OregonBuckeye;696504; said:
What don't you understand? Ginn=#1 option on Ohio St. Jarett=#1 option of USC(unless that's changed with his injury). I'm not talking about who is better.
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According to whom? Your PS2? Where do you get they are the #1 options? I want you to explain where you get this fact.

See, the way football works, there could actually be a different #1 receiver on every passing play based on pre-snap reads, coverage, match-ups, adjustments to motion, etc.

For you to blindly proclaim anyone as the absolute #1 WR is completely misghuided and lacking in any form of actual knowledge. I would ask you what it is that you do not understand...but I think you have already shown that.
 
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Best Buckeye;696506; said:
Arrington is your #2 reciever, of course he has more catches. Put Arrington on our team and how many catches does he make? Does he even get in a game?
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To even bother going into how Arrington would do on OSU or how Robiskie would do on Michigan is pure speculation. I don't know how you expect either of us to be objective about that. Obviously I wouldn't trade Arrington for Robiskie.
 
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