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To even bother going into how Arrington would do on OSU or how Robiskie would do on Michigan is pure speculation. I don't know how you expect either of us to be objective about that. Obviously I wouldn't trade Arrington for Robiskie.
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Since I'm still awake for no apparent reason at all, I must add this for you and any scUM fan that may be lurking this thread; get acquainted with Robiskie now, because it may help with trying to forget him later. I don't know if any of you took this advice in 2004 with Troy, but I'll tell ya right now, imo, Robiskie is going to be one of the best receivers tOSU has ever produced and will definitley break a few records before he leaves, these records may or may not come at the hands of scUM... :wink2:
 
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msj2487;696609; said:
Since I'm still awake for no apparent reason at all, I must add this for you and any scUM fan that may be lurking this thread; get acquainted with Robiskie now, because it may help with trying to forget him later. I don't know if any of you took this advice in 2004 with Troy, but I'll tell ya right now, imo, Robiskie is going to be one of the best receivers tOSU has ever produced and will definitley break a few records before he leaves, these records may or may not come at the hands of scUM... :wink2:
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Actually, I think that's what they're trying to do now -- enter denial mode. He's already opened his account with 7 receptions for 89 yards and the game-winning TD, while making both Hall and Trent look like fools. I'm sure Michigan fans are very eager to forget Robiskie... :biggrin:
 
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osugrad21;696510; said:
According to whom? Your PS2? Where do you get they are the #1 options? I want you to explain where you get this fact.

See, the way football works, there could actually be a different #1 receiver on every passing play based on pre-snap reads, coverage, match-ups, adjustments to motion, etc.

For you to blindly proclaim anyone as the absolute #1 WR is completely misghuided and lacking in any form of actual knowledge. I would ask you what it is that you do not understand...but I think you have already shown that.
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It seems to me this argument is rather fruitless. Neither of you are wrong, but simply are arguing over semantics.

Grad, I understand and agree with the merits of your argument. However, it is a generally accepted rule that each team has a WR progression. This is fed to us day in and day out by talking heads and there is a depth chart for a reason. Each play of course has its specific design and progression assigned. Generally, the first option on the design of most pass plays is the #1 WR, however the coverage or D alignment may dictate otherwise which is where your argument is correct.

We are in the unique position of having 2 equally talented WR, either of which could easily be a #1. It seems to me, as well as OregonBuckeye and most others Ginn is still the #1 WR if only in title which is where OregonBuckeye is correct.

Regardless, one thing we can all agree on, it is good to have Ginn and Gonzo as 1/2 or 2/1 or 1/1 or whatever you want to call them!!!!!! And, that our 1-3 and 1-5 WR core is better than FU, tsun or USC?s and damn day of the week!

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Okinawa's#1Buck;696719; said:
It seems to me this argument is rather fruitless. Neither of you are wrong, but simply are arguing over semantics.

Grad, I understand and agree with the merits of your argument. However, it is a generally accepted rule that each team has a WR progression. This is fed to us day in and day out by talking heads and there is a depth chart for a reason. Each play of course has its specific design and progression assigned. Generally, the first option on the design of most pass plays is the #1 WR, however the coverage or D alignment may dictate otherwise which is where your argument is correct.

We are in the unique position of having 2 equally talented WR, either of which could easily be a #1. It seems to me, as well as OregonBuckeye and most others Ginn is still the #1 WR if only in title which is where OregonBuckeye is correct.
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Once again, this is 100% opinion...I have never designated who I would consider the "#1" WR...if I would even choose to label someone with that title. I have simply said from the beginning that it is debatable on who would carry that title. Nothing more. However, I do appreciate you taking the time to explain progressions and the merits of a depth chart to me...unfortunately, I don't agree with much of what you just said after you acknowledged the fact that every play has a progression based on the varying coverage/scheme. As you said, it is a fruitless argument...and one in which I am obviously wasting time.

Im just glad the offense is not based on your version of the Ginn-first read. The "#1 receiver" is a creation of the media...and a depth chart does not have a general "WR" designation...but anyway...

Merry Christmas
 
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Jeffcat;696849; said:
Wrong. Next.......i can hate the guy all day long but in the end strictly as a WR he is the best route runner, best size/speed, and good hands combination out of all of those other WRs.
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Wrong again. Ginn's route running is as good as Manningham's...it wasn't earlier but Ginn is now as good a route runner as most WRs. Manningham gets more throws/attention because he doesn't have a Gonzo to take pass attempts away. As for "size/speed" they are virtually the exact same size (MM 6'0", 182; TG 6'0", 180), and we all know who's faster (and it ain't Manningham)...maybe you should check your facts before spouting off. Lastly, Ginn has significantly reduced the number of drops this season...whether or not he has a drop or two more than Manningham for the season, we can't know for sure. I do know that I'll take Ginn over Manningham in a crucial situation every time.

If you want to talk best overall WR of the bunch (routes, speed, hands), it's Gonzo...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;696863; said:
Wrong again. Ginn's route running is as good as Manningham's...it wasn't earlier but Ginn is now as good a route runner as most WRs. Manningham gets more throws/attention because he doesn't have a Gonzo to take pass attempts away. As for "size/speed" they are virtually the exact same size (MM 6'0", 182; TG 6'0", 180), and we all know who's faster (and it ain't Manningham)...maybe you should check your facts before spouting off. Lastly, Ginn has significantly reduced the number of drops this season...whether or not he has a drop or two more than Manningham for the season, we can't know for sure. I do know that I'll take Ginn over Manningham in a crucial situation every time.

If you want to talk best overall WR of the bunch (routes, speed, hands), it's Gonzo...
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well i suppose thats your opinion but manningham sure looks significantly larger than ginn does. i really dont see how im wrong about it being my opinion though. ive watched them all play and manningham strictly as a WR seems the best of the bunch in my opinion.
 
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osugrad21;696869; said:
From what I've gathered from Michigan Insiders (JWins can likely verify), Mario's mediocre route running has been his major issue so far in his career.
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Most of his big plays I have seen have consisted of running straight down the field or a slant and catching a bomb, so yeah, route running doesn't really apply there.:)
 
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MililaniBuckeye;696868; said:
It's not my "opinion", dipshit, it's published stats...
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........which are more often than not inflated as everybody very well knows already. ginn is obviously much bigger than when he came in as a freshman but if you are telling me they are the same size in a side my side comparison i may have to strongly question your credibility.
 
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NFBuck;696870; said:
Most of his big plays I have seen have consisted of running straight down the field or a slant and catching a bomb, so yeah, route running doesn't really apply there.:)
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yea the gameday boys had a field day with his double move tactics of getting down field and for once id have to agree with them he does an excellent job and he has been consistently catching balls when he has been healthy.
 
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osugrad21;696533; said:
...and one more time I will ask you, how do you know this? Do you understand how a QB read works? Im not giving you an exception...Im trying to tell you how football actually works.

You are talking in circles now...
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So you're telling me there has never been such a thing as a "#1" reciever? Have I been under this false impression for my entire life?
 
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Jeffcat;696873; said:
........which are more often than not inflated as everybody very well knows already. ginn is obviously much bigger than when he came in as a freshman but if you are telling me they are the same size in a side my side comparison i may have to strongly question your credibility.
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Stats are inflated, true, but wouldn't you think that they would most likely be inflated fairly evenly across the board?

As far as a "side my side comparison" (I assume you meant "side by side comparison"), have you seen them side-by-side? If not, then you have shit to say about it...
 
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