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Best/Worst current CFB coaches (CFN, SI)

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OregonBuckeye said:
Did you read my earlier post? I admitted it was a bit of a homer pick. Belloti isn't doing it at a school that sells itself like Georgia, LSU, Florida, USC, etc. which is what makes it impressive.
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Phil Knight does it for him :wink:

OregonBuckeye said:
If I remember correctly, he was offered a job by most of the high profile schools so they obviously think he can get it done.
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Pat Hill was pursued by numerous NFL teams...so obviously they think he can get it done. However, as I stated earlier, this is not about Hill vs. Bellotti. This is about Bellotti not being a top 5 coach...but as you said:

I admitted it was a bit of a homer pick.
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So I will agree to disagree...
 
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Perhaps Fresno should do better in their conference, but Oregon has enough talent to be competitive in theirs (USC is the only true elite team in the conference). On the other hand, Fresno challenges themselves a lot more OOC than Oregon, probably b/c they have to do so.

Pat Hill's record and elite competition

2005 7-5: W ___ || Near losses (SC, Oregon, Tulsa)
2004 9-3: W Wash, Kans St, UVA
2003 9-5: W Oreg St, UCLA || L Tenn, OU
2002 9-5: W SDSU, GT || L Wisky, Oregon, Oreg St
2001 11-3: W Colorado, Oreg St, Wisky || L MSU
 
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I must admit, I did not expect this thread to turn into a debate on the relative strength of Oregon and Fresno St. recruiting classes.:)
That said, whomever mentioned that Beamer had multiple 5 loss/losing seasons, they were all at the beginning of his tenure at V-Tech, when he had to completely rebuild the program. Now V-Tech is at a point where regular expectations of 9 win seasons are not unreasonable.
 
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jwinslow said:
Perhaps Fresno should do better in their conference, but Oregon has enough talent to be competitive in theirs (USC is the only true elite team in the conference). On the other hand, Fresno challenges themselves a lot more OOC than Oregon, probably b/c they have to do so.

Pat Hill's record and elite competition

2005 7-5: W ___ || Near losses (SC, Oregon, Tulsa)
2004 9-3: W Wash, Kans St, UVA
2003 9-5: W Oreg St, UCLA || L Tenn, OU
2002 9-5: W SDSU, GT || L Wisky, Oregon, Oreg St
2001 11-3: W Colorado, Oreg St, Wisky || L MSU
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Oregon isn't too shabby either when it comes to scheduling OOC opponents either. For the record, we never wanted to schedule Montana. Indiana backed out at the last moment. Oregon has played Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Michigan in the last 2 years and will play Tennessee in a few years also. But that's a little off point. I don't want this argument to drag on for too much longer so I'll just state my final points. Mike Bellotti might not and probably isn't one of the top 5 coaches in college football. He is however, one of the most underrated. I feel what he has done at a school like Oregon is very impressive yet has gone for the most part unrecognized. Pat Hill is a fine coach but I personally don't think he is an elite one nor as good as Bellotti. I mostly just wanted to throw his name out there so people don't forget about his accomplishments.
 
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BB73 said:
I'm not sure comments like that are going to help you get out of this mess. :wink2:
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What mess? And isn't it true? I'm not saying all and it's not a horrible thing. If I grew up in Ohio with no ties to Oregon I'm sure I wouldn't know much about them either.

Edit-I hope I'm not underestimating the typical Ohioan's(Is that right? What is it?) knowledge of Oregon football and Mike Bellotti.
 
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I can't decide how to feel about Oregon. I mean it's not their fault that Nike makes the uniform decisions...

If this were a month ago I'd have said, "I'll respect Oregon when I respect the cloth they put on their backs." Now we've got the same kind of "let's fuck with tradition" thing going on here. I blame Oregon for starting it.
 
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hands down the 2 best college coaches, (and no one else is even close) are:

1) Larry Kehres - Mt Union - 231-20-3, 92%, 8 National Titles in last 13 years, also played in one other Title game, 16 Conference Titles, 14 Undefeated regular seasons, in 20 years, Fastest coach to 200 wins alltime (220 games), 55 straight game and 54 straight game win streaks.

2) Mike Kelley - Dayton - 231-47-1, 83%, 1 National Title, played in 3 others, 3rd fastest to 200 wins (242 games), 8 conference titles in 13 years, no losing season in 25 years of coaching


Top that!!! haha
 
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jpfbuck62 said:
hands down the 2 best college coaches, (and no one else is even close) are:

1) Larry Kehres - Mt Union - 231-20-3, 92%, 8 National Titles in last 13 years, also played in one other Title game, 16 Conference Titles, 14 Undefeated regular seasons, in 20 years, Fastest coach to 200 wins alltime (220 games), 55 straight game and 54 straight game win streaks.

2) Mike Kelley - Dayton - 231-47-1, 83%, 1 National Title, played in 3 others, 3rd fastest to 200 wins (242 games), 8 conference titles in 13 years, no losing season in 25 years of coaching


Top that!!! haha
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Why don't they coach D-1A?
 
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OregonBuckeye said:
What mess? And isn't it true? I'm not saying all and it's not a horrible thing. If I grew up in Ohio with no ties to Oregon I'm sure I wouldn't know much about them either.

Edit-I hope I'm not underestimating the typical Ohioan's(Is that right? What is it?) knowledge of Oregon football and Mike Bellotti.
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The "crucified for defending Oregon club", as methomps called it. :tongue2:

While it's surely true that this board has more extensive knowledge of tOSU football than of the Ducks that play at Autzen, most of the posters that have questioned your selection of Bellotti have only used facts to make their case, such as Oregon's record over the years. It doesn't take intimate knowledge of the Oregon program to quote their wins and losses.

Bellotti's a good coach in a good conference. Oregon's glad to have him - heck, USC even went after him before hiring Pete Carroll. But you've admitted that your mention of him in the top-5 was somewhat of a homer choice.

I'm just suggesting, in a good-natured way, that questioning the knowledge of the posters in general, even on a topic such as a West Coast football program, might not be the best way to gain support for your stance in a discussion.
 
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BB73 said:
The "crucified for defending Oregon club", as methomps called it. :tongue2:

While it's surely true that this board has more extensive knowledge of tOSU football than of the Ducks that play at Autzen, most of the posters that have questioned your selection of Bellotti have only used facts to make their case, such as Oregon's record over the years. It doesn't take intimate knowledge of the Oregon program to quote their wins and losses.

Bellotti's a good coach in a good conference. Oregon's glad to have him - heck, USC even went after him before hiring Pete Carroll. But you've admitted that your mention of him in the top-5 was somewhat of a homer choice.

I'm just suggesting, in a good-natured way, that questioning the knowledge of the posters in general, even on a topic such as a West Coast football program, might not be the best way to gain support for your stance in a discussion.
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I already know I have zero support in even bringing up Mike Bellotti's name. I know most of the posters on here are well-rounded and know their football but they probably don't know that much about Oregon as opposed to Florida St. or USC because Oregon isn't a traditional big time program.
 
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