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I don't really care about Barry. In my mind, Hammerin' Hank will always be the HR king, regardless of what Barry does. Bonds will always have the steroids stigma whether it helped him hit my HR's or not the substance was/is illegal. It is a performance enhancing drug and thus all records by him should have an asterisk as most baseball fans will realize anyway.
It really is a shame because Barry and his natural talent without steroids was a sure-fire first round Hall of Fame selection anyway.
It really is a shame because Barry and his natural talent without steroids was a sure-fire first round Hall of Fame selection anyway.
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So it's not fun anymore huh Barry? Darn, sure isn't when you can't cheat anymore...I mean where's the fun in that? Hell, might end up hitting 25 instead of 80 and prove what everyone already thinks like Sosa has...oh forget it, "We're not here to talk about the past" after all...
So long...no one will miss you.
So long...no one will miss you.
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Oh,and Bonds saying he "doesn't care about records much" is like TO saying he "doesn't care about money much". Yo Barry, if it isn't about the records, then why come back and play when you admit yourself you can't run or field at the major league level anymore? Oh yeah, you can "Still rake". Yep, nothing to see here. Move along.
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Now he seems to be hedging on the retirement talk. Make up your mind jagoff.
NEW YORK (AP) -- Barry Bonds might retire after this season. Or, maybe not.
The San Francisco slugger gave differing accounts this weekend, first saying this year would be his last -- no matter whether he hits the 48 home runs he needs to break Hank Aaron's record.
Then Sunday night, he said he would play in 2007 if his surgically repaired knee is OK.
In a story posted on the USA Today Web site Sunday afternoon, Bonds said the game isn't fun anymore.
"I'm tired of all of the crap going on," he was quoted. "I want to play this year out, hopefully win, and once the season is over, go home and be with my family. Maybe then everybody can just forget about me."
A few hours later, MLB.com reported Bonds said his health will determine how long he plays.
"If my knee holds up, I'll keep on going," he said. "I'm playing psychological games with myself right now. I don't want to set myself up for disappointment if things don't work out this season. So I go back and forth. Back and forth every day. These are the things that are going through my mind. This is what I'm struggling with."
Bonds can be moody and sometimes changes his mind. In May 2004, he told reporters in New York that, "Half the stuff I say, I don't believe."
Bonds turns 42 on July 24. He said he plans to report Tuesday to spring training in Scottsdale, Ariz.
The All-Star left fielder was limited to 14 games last year following three knee operations. He has 708 homers, trailing only Babe Ruth (714) and Aaron (755).
"Breaking these records aren't a big thing to me," he told USA Today. "It's a great honor to pass Ruth, but it means more to baseball than it does to me. History is good for every sport, and I'm creating great interest for the game."
Bonds told MLB.com that his conversation with USA Today was just indicative of his state of mind at that particular moment.
The Giants said they would not comment on the newspaper report until they heard from Bonds directly. Giants manager Felipe Alou, speaking before the USA Today story was posted, said he was looking forward to Bonds' arrival.
"I think everybody wants to see him," Alou said. "I haven't seen him since October, but we've talked on the phone. There's no urgency to talk except for the normal welcoming. There's a lot of time to discuss things."
Bonds' agent, Jeff Borris, wouldn't say whether Bonds has discussed retirement with him.
"I'd rather those conversations between Barry and myself remain private," Borris told The Associated Press on Sunday.
Bonds has twice hit more than 48 homers in a season. He hit a record 73 in 2001 and 49 the year before.
Bonds' accomplishments, however, have come under scrutiny.
He testified in 2003 before a federal grand jury investigating illegal steroids distribution. The San Francisco Chronicle reported in December 2004 that Bonds testified he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer, but said he didn't know they were steroids.
Greg Anderson, the slugger's personal trainer, pleaded guilty last July to steroid distribution and money laundering, and in October was sentenced to three months in prison and three months in home confinement.
"I'm clean, I've always been clean," Bonds said in the newspaper report.
He added: "Right now, I'm telling you, I don't even want to play next year. Baseball is a fun sport. But I'm not having fun. I love the game of baseball itself, but I don't like what it's turned out to be. I'm not mad at anybody. It's just that right now I am not proud to be a baseball player."
Bonds didn't play until Sept. 12 last year because he was recovering from the knee operations. He hit five homers in 42 at-bats.
Bonds told the newspaper he is taking pain pills and sleeping pills.
"I don't have a choice. I can't even run that much anymore. How can I run? I don't have any cartilage in that knee. I'm bone on bone," he said. "But I can still hit. I can rake. I can hit a baseball."
Bonds was more positive about his health in the MLB.com report, raving about a new knee brace.
"Right now, I feel like I can play for another five years, another 10 years," he said. "It's given me a new lease on life. That's how I'm feeling today. I'm ready to get going."
Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Then quit!
NEW YORK (AP) -- Barry Bonds might retire after this season. Or, maybe not.
The San Francisco slugger gave differing accounts this weekend, first saying this year would be his last -- no matter whether he hits the 48 home runs he needs to break Hank Aaron's record.
Then Sunday night, he said he would play in 2007 if his surgically repaired knee is OK.
In a story posted on the USA Today Web site Sunday afternoon, Bonds said the game isn't fun anymore.
"I'm tired of all of the crap going on," he was quoted. "I want to play this year out, hopefully win, and once the season is over, go home and be with my family. Maybe then everybody can just forget about me."
A few hours later, MLB.com reported Bonds said his health will determine how long he plays.
"If my knee holds up, I'll keep on going," he said. "I'm playing psychological games with myself right now. I don't want to set myself up for disappointment if things don't work out this season. So I go back and forth. Back and forth every day. These are the things that are going through my mind. This is what I'm struggling with."
Bonds can be moody and sometimes changes his mind. In May 2004, he told reporters in New York that, "Half the stuff I say, I don't believe."
Bonds turns 42 on July 24. He said he plans to report Tuesday to spring training in Scottsdale, Ariz.
The All-Star left fielder was limited to 14 games last year following three knee operations. He has 708 homers, trailing only Babe Ruth (714) and Aaron (755).
"Breaking these records aren't a big thing to me," he told USA Today. "It's a great honor to pass Ruth, but it means more to baseball than it does to me. History is good for every sport, and I'm creating great interest for the game."
Bonds told MLB.com that his conversation with USA Today was just indicative of his state of mind at that particular moment.
The Giants said they would not comment on the newspaper report until they heard from Bonds directly. Giants manager Felipe Alou, speaking before the USA Today story was posted, said he was looking forward to Bonds' arrival.
"I think everybody wants to see him," Alou said. "I haven't seen him since October, but we've talked on the phone. There's no urgency to talk except for the normal welcoming. There's a lot of time to discuss things."
Bonds' agent, Jeff Borris, wouldn't say whether Bonds has discussed retirement with him.
"I'd rather those conversations between Barry and myself remain private," Borris told The Associated Press on Sunday.
Bonds has twice hit more than 48 homers in a season. He hit a record 73 in 2001 and 49 the year before.
Bonds' accomplishments, however, have come under scrutiny.
He testified in 2003 before a federal grand jury investigating illegal steroids distribution. The San Francisco Chronicle reported in December 2004 that Bonds testified he used a clear substance and a cream given to him by a trainer, but said he didn't know they were steroids.
Greg Anderson, the slugger's personal trainer, pleaded guilty last July to steroid distribution and money laundering, and in October was sentenced to three months in prison and three months in home confinement.
"I'm clean, I've always been clean," Bonds said in the newspaper report.
He added: "Right now, I'm telling you, I don't even want to play next year. Baseball is a fun sport. But I'm not having fun. I love the game of baseball itself, but I don't like what it's turned out to be. I'm not mad at anybody. It's just that right now I am not proud to be a baseball player."
Bonds didn't play until Sept. 12 last year because he was recovering from the knee operations. He hit five homers in 42 at-bats.
Bonds told the newspaper he is taking pain pills and sleeping pills.
"I don't have a choice. I can't even run that much anymore. How can I run? I don't have any cartilage in that knee. I'm bone on bone," he said. "But I can still hit. I can rake. I can hit a baseball."
Bonds was more positive about his health in the MLB.com report, raving about a new knee brace.
"Right now, I feel like I can play for another five years, another 10 years," he said. "It's given me a new lease on life. That's how I'm feeling today. I'm ready to get going."
Copyright 2006 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
Then quit!
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tsteele316
Mr. Such and Such
it's guys like you that make it what it has become. it sounds more to me like he doesnt waant to come back and tank thereby verifying that steroids are what got him this far.
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OSUBasketballJunkie
Never Forget 31-0
Dispatch
2/21/06
2/21/06
BASEBALL
Giants stay calm about Bonds’ talk, late arrival
Tuesday, February 21, 2006
Josh Dubow
ASSOCIATED PRESS
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SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. — Shortly before 9 a.m. yesterday, an alarm went off in Scottsdale Stadium and caught everybody’s attention.
"Barry’s not here yet," Armando Benitez shouted out in the San Francisco Giants’ spring training clubhouse.
It was just a fire alarm — Barry Bonds’ arrival would have to wait.
One day after contradictory reports that Bonds was either ready to retire after the season or set to play 10 more years, the Giants slugger did not show up on the voluntary reporting date for position players.
That was no cause for concern, Giants general manager Brian Sabean said, because Bonds’ agent told the team last week that Bonds would come a day or two later _ still well before the Feb. 28 mandatory reporting date — because he needed to straighten out some "personal stuff."
After three knee operations that limited Bonds to 14 games last year, the Giants are eager to learn what they can expect from the 41-year-old outfielder.
"Given the fact that Barry didn’t play practically the entire season last year, we’d like to see him here early," manager Felipe Alou said. "But we can’t bring a guy here by force before the first of March."
Alou said he expects Bonds in camp today and has him listed in the first group of hitters for batting practice.
He said all the reports he has heard on Bonds’ knee have been positive but admitted that it concerned him to hear his star talk about how baseball is no longer fun for him.
"Usually when a guy feels like that, it’s time to think about retirement," Alou said, adding that he believes Bonds’ outlook will change once he joins the team.
Bonds told USA Today that his injured knee has forced him to take pain pills and that he plans to retire after the season, then said to MLB.com that he was just "playing psychological games" and his knee brace feels so good he might play another decade.
"Of course everything Barry Bonds says gets multiplied and is huge," Giants shortstop Omar Vizquel said. "People tend to talk about everything and every comment he makes. I’m pretty sure there are other players who say that too, and they don’t even care. ‘You are? OK, good luck.’ But he’s Barry Bonds."
Bonds is in the final season of his five-year, $90 million contract and will be eligible for free agency after the World Series, meaning his time with the Giants could be up even if he doesn’t retire.
The injuries last season slowed his pursuit of Hank Aaron’s career home run record, but he did hit five homers in 42 at-bats in his brief September return to give him 708 in his career.
He is seven shy of passing Babe Ruth for second place and 48 from breaking Aaron’s record. Since Bonds has hit that many only twice in his 20-year career — including his record 73 in 2001 — it seems unlikely he’ll break the mark this season. He turns 42 in July.
Vizquel thinks the retirement talk is premature because Bonds could decide to move to an AL team, where he could be a designated hitter.
"After being out for so long now, he’s going to come back and he his going to feel that kind of pain, the aching of the muscles and all that," said Vizquel, who turns 39 in April. "I think it’s just part of the game and part of the human body. . . . He’s 41. Every year it’s a lot harder. I think it’s just how he’s feeling right now. When you get used to the groove again, the traveling and everything else, you’re body starts feeling the same."
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scooter1369
HTTR Forever.
I'd like to see his stat sheet read nothing but "HBP" for the entire year.
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tibor75
Banned
Lead story on CNNSI.com. Here's the first page of the article
Bonds exposed
Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted: Tuesday March 7, 2006 12:55PM; Updated: Tuesday March 7, 2006 1:15PM
NEW YORK (SI.com) -- Beginning in 1998 with injections in his buttocks of Winstrol, a powerful steroid, Barry Bonds took a wide array of performance-enhancing drugs over at least five seasons in a massive doping regimen that grew more sophisticated as the years went on, according to Game of Shadows, a book written by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters at the forefront of reporting on the BALCO steroid distribution scandal.
(An excerpt of Game of Shadows that details Bonds' steroid use appears exclusively in the March 13 issue of Sports Illustrated, which is available on newsstands beginning on Wednesday. The book's publication date is March 27.)
The authors, Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, describe in sometimes day-to-day, drug-by-drug detail how often and how deeply Bonds engaged in the persistent doping. For instance, the authors write that by 2001, when Bonds broke Mark McGwire's single-season home-run record (70) by belting 73, Bonds was using two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle.
BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.
Depending on the substance, Bonds used the drugs in virtually every conceivable form: injecting himself with a syringe or being injected by his trainer, Greg Anderson, swallowing pills, placing drops of liquid under his tongue, and, in the case of BALCO's notorious testosterone-based cream, applying it topically.
According to the book, Bonds gulped as many as 20 pills at a time and was so deeply reliant on his regimen that he ordered Anderson to start "cycles" -- a prescribed period of steroid use lasting about three weeks -- even when he was not due to begin one. Steroid users typically stop usage for a week or two periodically to allow the body to continue to produce natural testosterone; otherwise, such production diminishes or ceases with the continued introduction of synthetic forms of the muscle-building hormone.
Bonds called for the re-starting of cycles when he felt his energy and power start to drop. If Anderson told Bonds he was not due for another cycle, the authors write, Bonds would tell him, "F--- off, I'll do it myself.''
The authors compiled the information over a two-year investigation that included, but was not limited to, court documents, affidavits filed by BALCO investigators, confidential memoranda of federal agents (including statements made to them by athletes and trainers), grand jury testimony, audiotapes and interviews with more than 200 sources. Some of the information previously was reported by the authors in the Chronicle. Some of the information is new. For instance, in an extensive note on sourcing, the authors said memos detailing statements by BALCO owner Victor Conte, vice president James Valente and Anderson to IRS special agent Jeff Novitzky were sealed when they first consulted them, but have been unsealed since.
Bonds exposed
Shadows details superstar slugger's steroid use
Posted: Tuesday March 7, 2006 12:55PM; Updated: Tuesday March 7, 2006 1:15PM
NEW YORK (SI.com) -- Beginning in 1998 with injections in his buttocks of Winstrol, a powerful steroid, Barry Bonds took a wide array of performance-enhancing drugs over at least five seasons in a massive doping regimen that grew more sophisticated as the years went on, according to Game of Shadows, a book written by two San Francisco Chronicle reporters at the forefront of reporting on the BALCO steroid distribution scandal.
(An excerpt of Game of Shadows that details Bonds' steroid use appears exclusively in the March 13 issue of Sports Illustrated, which is available on newsstands beginning on Wednesday. The book's publication date is March 27.)
The authors, Mark Fainaru-Wada and Lance Williams, describe in sometimes day-to-day, drug-by-drug detail how often and how deeply Bonds engaged in the persistent doping. For instance, the authors write that by 2001, when Bonds broke Mark McGwire's single-season home-run record (70) by belting 73, Bonds was using two designer steroids referred to as the Cream and the Clear, as well as insulin, human growth hormone, testosterone decanoate (a fast-acting steroid known as Mexican beans) and trenbolone, a steroid created to improve the muscle quality of cattle.
BALCO tracked Bonds' usage with doping calendars and folders -- detailing drugs, quantities, intervals and Bonds' testosterone levels -- that wound up in the hands of federal agents upon their Sept. 3, 2003 raid of the Burlingame, Calif., business.
Depending on the substance, Bonds used the drugs in virtually every conceivable form: injecting himself with a syringe or being injected by his trainer, Greg Anderson, swallowing pills, placing drops of liquid under his tongue, and, in the case of BALCO's notorious testosterone-based cream, applying it topically.
According to the book, Bonds gulped as many as 20 pills at a time and was so deeply reliant on his regimen that he ordered Anderson to start "cycles" -- a prescribed period of steroid use lasting about three weeks -- even when he was not due to begin one. Steroid users typically stop usage for a week or two periodically to allow the body to continue to produce natural testosterone; otherwise, such production diminishes or ceases with the continued introduction of synthetic forms of the muscle-building hormone.
Bonds called for the re-starting of cycles when he felt his energy and power start to drop. If Anderson told Bonds he was not due for another cycle, the authors write, Bonds would tell him, "F--- off, I'll do it myself.''
The authors compiled the information over a two-year investigation that included, but was not limited to, court documents, affidavits filed by BALCO investigators, confidential memoranda of federal agents (including statements made to them by athletes and trainers), grand jury testimony, audiotapes and interviews with more than 200 sources. Some of the information previously was reported by the authors in the Chronicle. Some of the information is new. For instance, in an extensive note on sourcing, the authors said memos detailing statements by BALCO owner Victor Conte, vice president James Valente and Anderson to IRS special agent Jeff Novitzky were sealed when they first consulted them, but have been unsealed since.
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