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B1G CCG: Nebraska -2.5 vs Wiscy at Indy (ov/un 48.5) Sat 8:15 Fox

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jwinslow;2271250; said:
Especially when Michigan lost to every team with a pulse, hasn't won the league in a long time and has a coach with no conference titles on his resume.

There is also the matter of their last two meetings with Wisconsin before divisional play allowed them to duck them, the first time so they could back into a bcs bowl.
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I actually looked up this for discussion on another forum. Aside from 2 AP championships, Michigan's titles all came out when the Model T was in production or in the 1800s.

Why are they considered a powerhouse?
 
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Coqui;2271256; said:
I actually looked up this for discussion on another forum. Aside from 2 AP championships, Michigan's titles all came out when the Model T was in production or in the 1800s.

Why are they considered a powerhouse?
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Anyone have a picture of that little shop class craft project wooden plaque they got for 1997? I've never seen it.
 
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Bucky32;2271169; said:
I see what you're getting at, but ultimately you are what your record says you are, and the record says they ain't that good.
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I don't entirely agree with that. Obviously, your record says something about "who you are", but not everything. If it did, all teams with equivalent records would be equivalent. They're not.

I understand your attitude, and I certainly don't wish to blow smoke up Biff Bielema's ample skirt. But I do think that Wisconsin, despite their mediocre record, are capable of playing competitive football with, and having a chance at beating, most or all top teams in the country right now. I wouldn't say the same about most other teams with similar record.
 
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WolverineMike;2271365; said:
It's an argument spun 1000 times over by both sides. Easily spun in the favor of whoever you are arguing for.
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Simple math. You guys ducked out of the championship game the rest of the country agreed to. You felt the Rose Bowl was paramount to an actual championship game. You have nobody to blame but yourselves for not getting to play Nebraska for the crystal trophy.

Instead, you barely beat Washington State, a team that featured one NFL bust in Ryan Leaf... and not much else.

Meanwhile, Nebraska buried a team consisting of Peyton Manning, Peerless Price, Jamal Lewis, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, Deon Grant, Trey Teague and Al Wilson. Absolutely buried them.

The only reason this argument is "spun" is that Michigan refuses to admit they were the inferior team. And you're just damned lucky you ducked out to the Rose Bowl and didn't play that 1997 Husker team, because we would have put a beating on you that made that Orange Bowl victory over Tennessee look like a close contest.

You want to know what pisses me off most about Michigan hiding from Nebraska that year? I would have loved, loved, loved to see Scott Frost and Ahman Green come around the edge on an Option and watched Charles Woodson try to take them down in run support. Either Frosty or Green - wouldn't matter. I guarantee Woodson would have tried that one time - and never again for the rest of the game. Both Frost and Green would have posterized the Heisman winner.

We were cheated of that spectacle, but Nebraska wasn't cheated out of the hardware. Here's a pic of the trophy you never won. I think it's the one on the right. It's hard to be sure - we have so many:

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knapplc;2271405; said:
Simple math. You guys ducked out of the championship game the rest of the country agreed to. You felt the Rose Bowl was paramount to an actual championship game. You have nobody to blame but yourselves for not getting to play Nebraska for the crystal trophy.

Instead, you barely beat Washington State, a team that featured one NFL bust in Ryan Leaf... and not much else.

Meanwhile, Nebraska buried a team consisting of Peyton Manning, Peerless Price, Jamal Lewis, Shaun Ellis, Terry Fair, Deon Grant, Trey Teague and Al Wilson. Absolutely buried them.

The only reason this argument is "spun" is that Michigan refuses to admit they were the inferior team. And you're just damned lucky you ducked out to the Rose Bowl and didn't play that 1997 Husker team, because we would have put a beating on you that made that Orange Bowl victory over Tennessee look like a close contest.

You want to know what pisses me off most about Michigan hiding from Nebraska that year? I would have loved, loved, loved to see Scott Frost and Ahman Green come around the edge on an Option and watched Charles Woodson try to take them down in run support. Either Frosty or Green - wouldn't matter. I guarantee Woodson would have tried that one time - and never again for the rest of the game. Both Frost and Green would have posterized the Heisman winner.

We were cheated of that spectacle, but Nebraska wasn't cheated out of the hardware. Here's a pic of the trophy you never won. I think it's the one on the right. It's hard to be sure - we have so many:

realnationalchampionshiptrophies.jpg
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Wasn't this the season you guys would have lost to Mizzou, except for that guy kicking the ball up with his foot?
 
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Woody1968;2271442; said:
Wasn't this the season you guys would have lost to Mizzou, except for that guy kicking the ball up with his foot?
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Yes, that was the Back Button 41 Reverse Kick. We had practiced that play all year, but I think that was the only game we attempted it. Worked perfectly.
 
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WolverineMike;2271454; said:
blah blah blah.


They didn't play each other so you can spin it any way you want. Obviously you're on one side, and I'm on another. It's a tired wasted argument that nobody wins, so save your breath.
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Um, hey - you brought it up.

WolverineMike;2271329; said:
Most of it stems from the gift the Coaches gave Tom Osborne in 97.
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Pro Tip: Don't bring it up if you can't stand getting put in your place.
 
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