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Anyone capable of discussing gas without politics? Anyone?

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I saw this on Yahoo last week, but oil will have to get up to $80 a barrel before it will be cost effective. It would be best if someone could find a cheap easy way to make an alcohol based fuel that cars could run on.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050804/ap_on_sc/wood_crude_oil_1

MOSCOW, Idaho - A University of Idaho graduate student believes the answer to the world's crude oil crisis grows on trees. Juan Andres Soria says he has developed a process that turns wood into bio-oil, a substance similar to crude oil.
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The process — in which sawdust and methanol are heated to 900 degrees Fahrenheit to create the bio-oil — is already drawing some interest from energy and wood product companies, Soria said.

"But because it's quite novel, there's a bit of reserve," he said.

Soria is testing his theory with the help of Armando McDonald, associate professor of wood chemistry and composites in the University of Idaho's College of Natural Resources.

Though the idea may sound far-fetched, Soria and McDonald say the theory has precedent in nature — coal is the result of trees being subjected to high amounts of heat and pressure.

"We're trying to speed up the process," McDonald said. "Rather than doing it in millions of years, can we do it in minutes?"

So far, Soria's research has focused on sawdust from Ponderosa pine trees, although he said any variety of tree could be used, including fast-growing varieties like those being cultivated for wood pulp. Only about 2 percent of the mass is lost in the heating process, he said. After the bio-oil is produced, he separates it by boiling points, or grades. So far, he said, he's identified oil grades that could someday replace gasoline, tar, glues and resins that make things like lawn furniture.

Ponderosa pine sawdust is only the beginning, Soria and McDonald claim. Next, they will begin testing to see if they can get bio-oil from pine needles and bark.

The two are doing the research without grant money. Soria plans to use the research in his dissertation for his doctorate. If the private sector likes the idea enough to back it financially, Soria said he could put together an industrial-size bio refinery in five years.

Still, he said, the bio-oil isn't likely to be an immediate competitor to crude oil. Crude oil currently costs about $60 a barrel, and bio-oil will only be competitive when the cost of crude oil reaches $80 a barrel, Soria said.
 
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There are others looking into reasonably priced bio-diesel. Right now one of which I am aware is at better than break even versus normal diesel when you include the $1 per gallon credit -- and that BE point with $1 credit was at $50 per barrel range. Their process is pretty neat in that it will use a wide variety of agricultural by-products as zero or low-cost feedstock. If they can get the conversion efficiency up (I think by 10-15%) AND re-work the Capitalization costing they may be first in line with a truly cost effective process.

Then -- if oil goes down to $40 per barrel? Who knows.

Here 87 Octane is 2.44 per gallon -- and up.
 
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The only problem with all of these is that they are still bad for the envioronment. We really need to find something that will burn clean like hydrogen. The biggest problem with that is it won't work in current cars.
 
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I got lucky and filled up at 2.13 right before all this shit went down. I can't imagine what it is going to be like next week when I have to fill up again. Maybe I should call the credit union and ask for a loan.
 
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$2.13? I'd run people over to get to that gas station. I'm just thankful I got rid of my Explorer. Now I only have to get gas 3 times a month as opposed to 5. That saves me about $80 a month. Pathetic.
 
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My dad just bought a new F-150. He drives around 150 miles a day so I told him that he would probably save money if he bought a car that gets 30 MPG and only drive the truck when he needs to carry stuff. My Galant probably gets twice the mileage of his truck. He would save $25 when he fills up every other day so that's more than $200 a month if he drove a midsize car.

BuckNutty said:
$2.13? I'd run people over to get to that gas station. I'm just thankful I got rid of my Explorer. Now I only have to get gas 3 times a month as opposed to 5. That saves me about $80 a month. Pathetic.
I filled up for 2.19 on Sunday south of Akron. I'm $10 of Giant Eagle food away from getting .30 off on my next GE fuel purchase.
 
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exhawg said:
I filled up for 2.19 on Sunday south of Akron. I'm $10 of Giant Eagle food away from getting .30 off on my next GE fuel purchase.

You didn't happen to see Coop talking to Weird Al in there did ya?

Kroger has a similar program but I've never done it since you have to redeem the discount at their gas station, which is usually high enough that you can still get gas cheaper at other places. Bastards.
 
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The GetGo is a good deal, but gas prices aren't coming down any time soon. With oil prices hitting $65 a barrel this week, get ready to bend over.

Then again, it's our own fault. We've spent the last 30 years electing jackasses who have been too busy bickering and listening to wackjobs to build any new refineries, or increase domestic drilling. This week's Energy Act, and the refinery authorized earlier this year, needed done YEARS ago. They can't do anything for us in the short run, but at least our government is finally doing something.
 
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Misanthrope said:
Then again, it's our own fault. We've spent the last 30 years electing jackasses who have been too busy bickering and listening to wackjobs to build any new refineries, or increase domestic drilling. This week's Energy Act, and the refinery authorized earlier this year, needed done YEARS ago. They can't do anything for us in the short run, but at least our government is finally doing something.

That is a start, but we still need to be looking down the road (no pun intended) as oil will become more limited and more expensive. Alternative resources need to be pursued more heavily now.
 
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