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BB73;1286142; said:
And the wins and losses are in "good shape" this season, but with the off-the-field issues of the last couple years I wouldn't make a blanket statement that the program is in "good shape".
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The off-the-field issues are not anything close to the Duke's lacrosse rape incident. Austin Scott was kicked off the team because he missed curfew, not because of the result in court. It wasn't any crime like shop-lifting or getting paid for doing nothing jobs or widespread academic cheatings. Joe can't control other people's emotion when they're walking on the streets or at parties.
 
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txp135;1286202; said:
The off-the-field issues are not anything close to the Duke's lacrosse rape incident. Austin Scott was kicked off the team because he missed curfew, not because of the result in court. It wasn't any crime like shop-lifting or getting paid for doing nothing jobs or widespread academic cheatings. Joe can't control other people's emotion when they're walking on the streets or at parties.
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Why don't you just come out and say how you really feel about Joe Paterno and Penn State:huh:... it is rather obvious that you love Joe Pa and the Penn State program. Football probably has not passed him by but sometimes when you reach a certain age in life you lose some control over teenagers and I think that has come to pass with him. There just have been too many bad vibes coming out of Happy Valley to convince me that the football program is in good "moral" shape.

In addition, I just wonder how much coaching Paterno is ready doing these days. I think a great deal of it is being done by his coordinators/assistant coaches. I am sure that he has a great deal of input into the game planning but once the game starts I really don't think he is involved at all.

He should really step aside at the end of the year for the good of the program. They have done a fairly good job in recruiting (don't think Paterno sways many recruits anymore) this year and, football wise, the program is in fairly good shape. Every man reaches an age where they can no longer be as effective in their jobs as they have when they were younger and I think it is time for Paterno to accept that fact.
 
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shetuck;1286209; said:
Maybe Joe can't, but plenty of other respectable D1 head coaches apparently can (and do).
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Just because you haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Why don't you drop a few names and see. And there are stuff that NCAA will even look the other way to not hurt these BCS schools so we don't hear so much about.
 
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txp135;1286258; said:
Just because you haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Why don't you drop a few names and see. And there are stuff that NCAA will even look the other way to not hurt these BCS schools so we don't hear so much about.
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Let's not get carried away here. It really all depends upon the infraction. Was it a school rule or an NCAA violation? The NCAA is under the belief that institutions are supposed to monitor their own programs so it is up to the school to discipline their players. It is not always up to the NCAA. There just seems to be a lot of little things coming out of Happy Valley prior to this season. They were not NCAA violations but some of the players certainly broke the law or violated school regulations.
 
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LitlBuck;1286251; said:
Why don't you just come out and say how you really feel about Joe Paterno and Penn State:huh:...
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So you are blaming losing "control over teenagers" on Joe, then below that you are surmising that "a great deal of it is being done by his coordinators/assistant coaches"? Are you saying that his assistants are too old for the job?

As far as how I feel about it? I don't know enough about running a football program to say when Joe should leave or not, but apparently there are many qualified people out there who has never coached a single game at any level. Look at Nebraska, Tom Osborn left because he was old, they pretty much took him out of the program completely. Now he's back trying to rebuild the program. Lou Holtz "walked" out of a lifetime contract at ND and you can decide if that's a good move for ND. I think Joe is trying to help PSU avoid the same situation, but the other PSU wigs are trying to "start over".
 
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txp135;1286301; said:
Look at Nebraska, Tom Osborn left because he was old, they pretty much took him out of the program completely.
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Wrong....Wrong....Wrong..... Tom left on great terms having recently won Nat'l championships and installed his own guy Frank Solich as the head coach. In his final four years, Osborne's record was a staggering 49-2 (.961), the strongest finale to any coaching career in college football history. Tom then ran and won the 3rd Congressional District and headed off to Washington for a few years. After the AD retired, Steve Pederson was brought in and canned Solich after a couple of mediocre (at that time for Nebbie) season. Think of the Earle Bruce years around here and you have Solich in a nut shell although he did get to the Nat'l Championship game in 2001. Osborne at that time kept his distance from the program and had a huge say in ousting Pedersen and Callahan. Nebbie now has someone that was on Solich's staff as HC..........
 
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txp135;1286258; said:
Just because you haven't heard about it, doesn't mean it didn't happen. Why don't you drop a few names and see. And there are stuff that NCAA will even look the other way to not hurt these BCS schools so we don't hear so much about.
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:lol:

Typical response from State Penn fan... "Us against the world!... kids at other schools do the same stuff all the time, they just don't get reported or caught or punished. Everybody hates us because we're so good."

Of course we all know that it's a conspiracy aimed against Joe Pa on the part of the media and the authorities in Centre County. Everybody's trying to sully his good name as of late, it seems. The haters are stepping up their attacks on him as of late and that's why he's been getting more than his fair share of teenage athletes going over the line.

Give me a break and sober up...

Oh, and here's your list (of names Joe Pa is keeping company with when it comes to reigning in his players' behavior):
Fulmer Cup - SAS Wiki

EDIT: Just noticed that wiki hasn't even been updated since August.
 
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txp135;1286301; said:
Wrong....Wrong....Wrong..... Tom left on great terms having recently won Nat'l championships and installed his own guy Frank Solich as the head coach. In his final four years, Osborne's record was a staggering 49-2 (.961), the strongest finale to any coaching career in college football history. Tom then ran and won the 3rd Congressional District and headed off to Washington for a few years. After the AD retired, Steve Pederson was brought in and canned Solich after a couple of mediocre (at that time for Nebbie) season. Think of the Earle Bruce years around here and you have Solich in a nut shell although he did get to the Nat'l Championship game in 2001. Osborne at that time kept his distance from the program and had a huge say in ousting Pedersen and Callahan. Nebbie now has someone that was on Solich's staff as HC..........
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That was not my quote. That quote came from here

txp135;1286301[/B said:
;][1;] Look at Nebraska, Tom Osborn left because he was old, they pretty much took him out of the program completely. Now he's back trying to rebuild the program".
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txp135;1286301; said:
So you are blaming losing "control over teenagers" on Joe, then below that you are surmising that "a great deal of it is being done by his coordinators/assistant coaches"? Are you saying that his assistants are too old for the job?
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You really need to read the post more carefully and then you can quote me.

When a head football coach recruits a high school football player don't you think he tells the kid's parents that he will look over them and be like a second parent to them so they will not get into trouble while they are a football player on his team.

The next quote that you take out of context is that I said it would not surprise me if the coordinators/assistant coaches were doing quite a bit of the coaching this season.
 
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txp135;1286202; said:
The worst of it was not anything close to the Duke's lacrosse rape incident. Austin Scott was kicked off the team because he missed curfew, not because of the result in court. It wasn't any crime like shop-lifting or getting paid for doing nothing jobs or widespread academic cheatings. Joe can't control other people's emotion when they're walking on the streets or at parties.
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Wasn't it 46 football players with 163 charges since 2002? I can't justify sweeping that under the rug with a "boys will be boys" and "coaches can't watch them all the time" mentality.

The way that incidents are handled by the head coach, whether it involves suspensions, playing time, running the bleachers or cleaning them after games; can have a significant impact on the future behavior of players, and result in fewer incidents over the course of time.

It seems like JoePa's been in denial over many of the incidents lately, and it seems like you're an apologist for him.
 
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