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BB73;1286436; said:
Wasn't it 46 football players with 163 charges since 2002? I can't justify sweeping that under the rug with a "boys will be boys" and "coaches can't watch them all the time" mentality.

The way that incidents are handled by the head coach, whether it involves suspensions, playing time, running the bleachers or cleaning them after games; can have a significant impact on the future behavior of players, and result in fewer incidents over the course of time.

It seems like JoePa's been in denial over many of the incidents lately, and it seems like you're an apologist for him.
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Most of those charges were thrown out because they were so ridiculous. I didn't know that if you are charged, you are guilty. I never said that there weren't any problems, just saying that it was blown out of proportions. Since when did he swept anything under the rugs? Some of those players were in the dog house for pretty long. If you're talking about paying players for fake jobs, academic fraud, or sitting out a couple series for DUI charge or hitting a cop, then it would be sweeping under the rug and cheating. Most of those 146 charges were for misdemeanor like underage drinking or public drunkeness. And they even count charges to players who were already off the team.
 
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BB73 said:
Wasn't it 46 football players with 163 charges since 2002? I can't justify sweeping that under the rug with a "boys will be boys" and "coaches can't watch them all the time" mentality.

The way that incidents are handled by the head coach, whether it involves suspensions, playing time, running the bleachers or cleaning them after games; can have a significant impact on the future behavior of players, and result in fewer incidents over the course of time.

It seems like JoePa's been in denial over many of the incidents lately, and it seems like you're an apologist for him.
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It sounds like you got a good little witch hunt going here.
 
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txp135;1286585; said:
...If you're talking about paying players for fake jobs, academic fraud, or sitting out a couple series for DUI charge or hitting a cop, then it would be sweeping under the rug and cheating...
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This is the second time (at least) that you've rattled off this list. I'm not sure where you're going with it.

Are you referring to another program or coach?
 
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I'm not denying that the football program doesn't have problems with keeping the players out of the cop's radar lately. But they are not problems that any other programs are calling for the coach to quit. Even with the more serious problems, no one called for those coaches to quit. The article was refering to Joe's age as the cause for those problems, but it's not. It also point to Joe's age as the cause for him being in the press box, it's not.

shetuck;1286592; said:
This is the second time (at least) that you've rattled off this list. I'm not sure where you're going with it.

Are you referring to another program or coach?
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txp135;1286597; said:
I'm not denying that the football program doesn't have problems with keeping the players out of the cop's radar lately. But they are not problems that any other programs are calling for the coach to quit. Even with the more serious problems, no one called for those coaches to quit. The article was refering to Joe's age as the cause for those problems, but it's not. It also point to Joe's age as the cause for him being in the press box, it's not.
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Why else, then, would he be in the press box?

The fact that, at his age, it's (naturally) more difficult to connect with younger players IS a problem that manifests itself in, among other things, behavior problems off the field. Admittedly there are other things that head coaches do (or don't do) that can also lead to off the field problems. Not being able to connect with your players and to have them listen to your fire-and-brimstone / come-to-Jesus talks is a big problem. If you're not having those talks with them because lately your philosophy has been "kids'll be kids", then that's also a big problem.

People are asking for Joe to retire not necessarily because his players are having more off-the-field issues. They're asking for him to retire because they believe that these issues belie the fact that Joe appears increasingly unable and unfit to do everything his job requires - physically, mentally, and emotionally - primarily because of his age.
 
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Wingate1217;1286319; said:
Wrong....Wrong....Wrong..... Tom left on great terms having recently won Nat'l championships and installed his own guy Frank Solich as the head coach....
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Yes you are right. It's when they ousted Frank Solich that hasn't been relevant since. I read an article not too long ago on sportsline.com that Osborne's office was pretty much left to collect dust and since Pederson arrived, they left Osborne out of the program. I think Joe is trying to name his successor but the big wigs won't let him and were trying to "modernize" PSU's program. This is probably one of the reason that Joe finally let the spread offense into PSU. Joe probably doesn't want to leave and let PSU clean house by hiring a coach not currently in the program. All the people who were calling for Joe's head were annointing Schiano as his replacement, I don't know if they still want Schiano.
 
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shetuck;1286605; said:
Why else, then, would he be in the press box?
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Did you miss the part that he's injured? You can be injured at any age. An injury can cause pain that would prevent you from physical activities at any age. <--- I can't believe I have to write this.

The fact that, at his age, it's (naturally) more difficult to connect with younger players IS a problem that manifests itself in, among other things, behavior problems off the field. Admittedly there are other things that head coaches do (or don't do) that can also lead to off the field problems. Not being able to connect with your players and to have them listen to your fire-and-brimstone / come-to-Jesus talks is a big problem. If you're not having those talks with them because lately your philosophy has been "kids'll be kids", then that's also a big problem.
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Most of the players are there because of Joe. What makes you think he's not having talks with them? He even demonstrates techniques in practice and sprints out on the field at the beginning of every game with them. I can't do it right now because he's injured. And as soon as he's injured some journalists jump on that as evidence that he's not physically able to coach because of his age. If they were writing that last year after he recovered from the broken knee, I'm pretty sure he would beat a bunch of those people on a 6 miles trek.
 
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txp135;1286616; said:
Did you miss the part that he's injured? You can be injured at any age. An injury can cause pain that would prevent you from physical activities at any age. <--- I can't believe I have to write this...
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In that case, Charlie Weis > Joe Pa. <--- I can't believe I have to write this.
 
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LitlBuck;1286360; said:
You really need to read the post more carefully and then you can quote me.

When a head football coach recruits a high school football player don't you think he tells the kid's parents that he will look over them and be like a second parent to them so they will not get into trouble while they are a football player on his team.

The next quote that you take out of context is that I said it would not surprise me if the coordinators/assistant coaches were doing quite a bit of the coaching this season.
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I'm not mis-quoting you. I merely said that you blamed him for the problems then give all the credits to his assistants. If he's so disconnected from the team, then shouldn't those assistants do something about taking care of the players too?

He's as involved with the players as any coach can be. Of course his assistant coaches are doing "quite a bit of coaching". Some coach would be more involved in the offense, some defense, some wants to call every play. Joe for some reason never hired a special team coach. The HC is responsible for running the team, if he put a staff together that can keep the team going even if he's absent, that shouldn't be a negative point.
 
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shetuck;1286623; said:
In that case, Charlie Weis > Joe Pa. <--- I can't believe I have to write this.
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Not all injuries are the same. I sprained my finger so bad that it was bent completely backwards but didn't feel pain. Got bee-stung on my finger which caused so much pain and swelling. I hope I'm not insulting your intelligence.
 
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txp135;1286585; said:
Most of those charges were thrown out because they were so ridiculous. I didn't know that if you are charged, you are guilty. I never said that there weren't any problems, just saying that it was blown out of proportions. Since when did he swept anything under the rugs?
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I wasn't suggesting that Joe was sweeping things under the rug, just that those who wouldn't admit that those numbers are indicative of something that should be a concern for the program would be sweeping things under a proverbial rug.

Please note that the previous parapraph does not state whether or not I believe that you are included in that group.
 
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