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All Time Greatest Albums

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Dark Side of the Moon is a great Album, but I'd say The Final Cut is far and away their best effort..... Followed VERY closely by Animals. "Dogs" is quite possibly the most haunting song ever.

And no Pink Floyd discussion can exclude "Pipers at the Gates of Dawn"
 
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BUCKEYESTUCKNGA said:
that is a ridiculous statement. im sure people who grew up listening to big band music like glenn miller said the same thing about the beatles, didnt make it true. tupac will be remembered because he influenced much of todays youth. they, in turn, will pass the love of his music on to their children, securing his legacy for generations, just like the beatles.

there is a song by c&c music factory i would like to quote....

ehem...(speaking of the relationship between rock and rap) "their parents dissed it back in the day...the same way they dis rap. are you amazed"?.."so d.j. lets rock and roll"- taken from the song "everybody dance now" :tongue2:
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I think you missed my point. You could not escape the Beatles or Elvis back in the day. That just isn't true any more. I couldn't name you one Tupac song and I was one of the "youths" you're talking about. Even people who hated the Beatles knew their songs. It was unavoidable. Only a small segment of the population (and yes, that's all that listens to rap) does not make him legendary. Half the population watched the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, totally different situation. The only modern act I can think of that approached that kind of popularity is Michael Jackson in the '80's. My point is that there are so many more choices that nobody will ever have the kind of impact as the ones from the past did. And I can't see how you rank "greatest" without taking into account "impact".

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*shrug* Whatever. This is a topic in which it's virtually impossible to not let your personal tastes influence what ought to be an objective analysis. Were I making a list, I'd feel obligated to represent the country/western genre - but it would be a forced decision. Doesn't much matter. The sole reason for constructing such a list is to provoke debate and discussion, and this list has done that. If there is one thing that I can say for sure, however, it is this:

Tupac and Biggie would stomp the shit out of those British poo stabbers in a steel cage match, a hundred times out of a hundred. :biggrin:
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This has nothing to do with my personal preferences. I'm hardly a huge fan of some of these "great" albums, but to say anyone, not just rappers, can have the kind of influence that some of these artists from the past had....it's just not possible anymore. As I said, there are so many more choices out there. I would put Robert Johnson's recordings near the top of the list, but I bet most people have never actually heard him, but they've certainly heard his songs remade by a hundred other people.

And rap still blows...:biggrin:
 
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Wow, there are too many things to bother quoting so I'm just going to throw some things out there.

1. Black Sabbath is not 'heavy metal.' Mid 80's solo-Ozzy strayed there, on occassion, with Randy Rhodes, but classic Sabbath wasn't metal. IMO, metal was invented by the British bands that were influenced by Sabbath and brought the sound to America in '79 and '80. Bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden made it mainstream.

2. No self-respecting Metallica fan can say the 'Black Album' is their best effort, that title should probably go to Master of Puppets or ...And Justice for All. Really though, Metallica themselves aren't a huge influence. I think Metallica's place in recording history is grossly exaggerated much like Nirvana. Go back another generation to find the bands/artists that influenced Metallica, such as Glenn Danzig (The Misfits/Samhain) for something truly groundbreaking.

I think the problem with citing Metallica as an influence is that there aren't a whole lot of bands that sound too much like Metallica. To be honest, I don't know that there are any at all -- at least, I never listen to a new artist and go, 'Gosh, they sound like Metallica.' By that simple standard, I think if you've listened to radio at all in the last 15 years you'll hear a lot more people influenced by anyone from the Dave Matthews Band to Prince to The Smashing Pumpkins to Bad Religion than you will Metallica.
 
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Go back another generation to find the bands/artists that influenced Metallica, such as Glenn Danzig (The Misfits/Samhain) for something truly groundbreaking.
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While I see what you're saying, I disagree. If you walk up to any average person on the street and ask them, "Who's better? Metallica or Danzig?" Chances are, they are going to respond with "Metallica or who?"

If you mean being an influence in metal, then yeah I would agree with you. I guess I was talking more about influencing music as a whole. Metallica brought metal to the big stage, and they even put it on the radio. "One" was groundbreaking in that aspect.

I still dont see how anybody can come right out and say "Sabbath isnt metal". Listen to war pigs, tell me what kind of music that is. You say they influenced the british bands, like Maiden, which yes, again I agree, but that means they are metal if they influenced those metal bands :biggrin:

I love these debates by the way.

2. No self-respecting Metallica fan can say the 'Black Album' is their best effort
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With all that said, I totally agree here.
 
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Sabbath isnt metal. It's "Pre-Metal" maybe.... Same as Led Zep

Sabbath is essentially hard driven blues (in terms of how the music is structured.)

Paranoid is a great album as well, I should add.

With Metallica, I'll take Pastor Of Muppets and Ride the Lightning over Black Album (Surely) and even And Justice...
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
If you mean being an influence in metal, then yeah I would agree with you. I guess I was talking more about influencing music as a whole. Metallica brought metal to the big stage, and they even put it on the radio. "One" was groundbreaking in that aspect.
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No they didn't! Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot, Motley Crue, W.A.S.P. were all selling out arenas while Metallica was still playing to half empty 300 seat clubs in San Francisco.
 
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Sabbath is essentially hard driven blues
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Ok but like I said, it depends on how you look at it. Metal, in general, was STARTED by Sabbath - "pre-metal" is actually a good term, because at the time, nobody knew was metal was. But being that they STARTED metal, I would say they are metal :)

Always said that the first true heavy metal song was Rock N' Roll by Zepp.

Metallica - I actually love Kill em All. The four horsemen is such a great song. The black album wasnt BAD by any means, but you could see they were startin to slip. Once load came out, I have never given them the time of day since.

Twisted Sister, Quiet Riot, Motley Crue, W.A.S.P.
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You are kidding, right? The only band in that list that maybe even came close to Metallica stature was Crue.
 
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Dryden said:
Or Meddle, or Atom Heart Mother, or The Wall, or Wish You Were Here ...
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AHM has one of the best intros on the long six-piece suite ever recorded. I don't know that it is one of the best albums, it is the first complete coherent full-length piece by Floyd and a harbinger of things to come on Meddle, DSofTM and The Wall.

Those Eldritch horns of Ron Geesin - can never forget hearing that for the first time.
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
You are kidding, right? The only band in that list that maybe even came close to Metallica stature was Crue.
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Again, you're confusing longevity with influence with stature. You say Metallica's One got the radio play, the sold out stadiums, etc ... That's just not true. K.I.S.S. damn near single-handedly invented the 'big stage'. AC/DC was already banned from playing St. John Arena because of structural issues before Metallica could afford to buy Kirk Hammett his first Wah-Wah peddle. Hell, even Dave Mustaine's newly formed Megadeth had more MTV video rotation (Peace Sells, But Who's Buying) and radio appeal (the No More Mr. Nice Guy cover for the horror flick Shocker) well before ...And Justice was even recorded.

The bands like Crue and Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister started the entire sound and image that became 'hair metal'. Whether you like the sound or the bands or not is irrelevent, this was part of popular culture for almost the entirety of the 80's and very early 90's. These bands were far, far more influential than Metallica.

It's like comparing Led Zeppelin to Aerosmith. If you took a poll of most influential bands Zep would appear ahead of Aerosmith 100% of the time. That doesn't discredit the 35 years Aerosmith has been recording or their body of work (3x that of Zeppelin's), they're just not that influential.

Metallica's influence is as overstated as a band like Nirvana's is. What will be Metallica's legacy when they're done? They were really popular and sold and an assload of records, that's it.
 
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