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All Time Greatest Albums

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Saw31 said:
I think you missed my point. You could not escape the Beatles or Elvis back in the day. That just isn't true any more. I couldn't name you one Tupac song and I was one of the "youths" you're talking about. Even people who hated the Beatles knew their songs. It was unavoidable. Only a small segment of the population (and yes, that's all that listens to rap) does not make him legendary. Half the population watched the Beatles on Ed Sullivan, totally different situation. The only modern act I can think of that approached that kind of popularity is Michael Jackson in the '80's. My point is that there are so many more choices that nobody will ever have the kind of impact as the ones from the past did. And I can't see how you rank "greatest" without taking into account "impact".

This has nothing to do with my personal preferences. I'm hardly a huge fan of some of these "great" albums, but to say anyone, not just rappers, can have the kind of influence that some of these artists from the past had....it's just not possible anymore. As I said, there are so many more choices out there. I would put Robert Johnson's recordings near the top of the list, but I bet most people have never actually heard him, but they've certainly heard his songs remade by a hundred other people.

And rap still blows...:biggrin:
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Not knowing what exposure you've had to black American culture, I don't want to shout out any declarative statements that could be thrown back in my face, so I'll keep it to this:

- The Beatles were an incredibly popular and influential group of artists to a very large portion of this country's populace for a very long time.

- Black American culture over the past 30+ years doesn't give a shit about The Beatles.

- More than one-eighth of the country is black.
 
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Again, you're confusing longevity with influence with stature. You say Metallica's One got the radio play, the sold out stadiums, etc ... That's just not true. K.I.S.S. damn near single-handedly invented the 'big stage'. AC/DC was already banned from playing St. John Arena because of structural issues before Metallica could afford to buy Kirk Hammett his first Wah-Wah peddle. Hell, even Dave Mustaine's newly formed Megadeth had more MTV video rotation (Peace Sells, But Who's Buying) and radio appeal (the No More Mr. Nice Guy cover for the horror flick Shocker) well before ...And Justice was even recorded.
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That's the key to making a "best ever" list. Although I disagree with your statements about Metallica having no influence. Go back all the way to Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning. These two went a very long way in getting heavy, thrash metal popular. Then, they sold out....

The absolute best album ever recorded is Moving Pictures, by Rush (right, hawg? :biggrin: )
Others:
AC/DC - Highway to Hell
Yes - Fragile
KISS - Alive
Nine Inch Nails - Pretty Hate Machine
Ministry - The Land of Rape and Honey
Public Enemy - Fear of a Black Planet
Peter Frampton - Framton Comes Alive
The Cult - Electric
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Pink Floyd - The Wall
Talking Heads - Stop Making Sense
The Ramones - pick an early one
Dave Matthews Band - Under the Table and Dreaming
Coldplay - A Rush of Blood to the Head
Joe Satriani - Surfing With the Alien
Rush - 2112, Grace Under Pressure

I could go on and on.....
 
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vrbryant said:
Not knowing what exposure you've had to black American culture, I don't want to shout out any declarative statements that could be thrown back in my face, so I'll keep it to this:

- The Beatles were an incredibly popular and influential group of artists to a very large portion of this country's populace for a very long time.

- Black American culture over the past 30+ years doesn't give a shit about The Beatles.

- More than one-eighth of the country is black.
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Ricky Martin sucks. Care to respond? :wink2:
 
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vrbryant said:
Not knowing what exposure you've had to black American culture, I don't want to shout out any declarative statements that could be thrown back in my face, so I'll keep it to this:

- The Beatles were an incredibly popular and influential group of artists to a very large portion of this country's populace for a very long time.

- Black American culture over the past 30+ years doesn't give a shit about The Beatles.

- More than one-eighth of the country is black.
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Oh come on now...you know what you want to say here...just say it...You are making so many assumptions about me and others who disagree with you, why not just say what you want to say and show everyone what kind of ignoramus you are. You like to come exceedingly close to calling people "racists", why not just say it. Why not?, because (self-admittedly) you have no idea who is sitting on the other side of this keyboard, but since you have some kind of conditioned response to someone who says "Rap blows", you just can't resist that instinctual reaction. "He must be racist!" It matters not that I've mentioned the Supremes or the Temptations or Robert Johnson, whose musical talent and impact is astronomically greater than any rapper. You try to disarm people by implying Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Wonder don't count as "black". Um, you don't get to decide that...I'm done discussing this since it is completely obvious that you believe you are the resident "black culture" expert...If that's not the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...at age 23, I believe you said in another thread, you are not an expert at anything but being young and stupid...
 
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DEBuckeye said:
That's the key to making a "best ever" list. Although I disagree with your statements about Metallica having no influence. Go back all the way to Kill 'Em All and Ride the Lightning. These two went a very long way in getting heavy, thrash metal popular. Then, they sold out....
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Fair enough. I don't think they had 'no' influence, but to say they had a 'tremendous' influence is also a bit of a stretch. Anyhow, I can't disagree with anyone who would compose a list the lumps Pretty Hate Machine, Land of Rape and Honey, Electric, Under the Table and Dreaming and 2112 together. Looks a lot like my iTunes favorites.
 
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The bands like Crue and Quiet Riot and Twisted Sister started the entire sound and image that became 'hair metal'
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I see what you're saying. Guess I made it sound like Metallica was the first of their kind. Not really what I meant. That's why I said in my own personal opinion, Sabbath invented metal, Metallica perfected it. There would be never-ending arguments to this. Bout a million different ways to translate country, blues, rock, metal, rap, etc.

You are right in saying that KISS was a major player as well, always thought they got overlooked entirely too much. Have seen then live 4 times, and would see em again, any chance I got.

Wanna mention NIN as well, as far as being revolutionary. Pretty Hate Machine was definitely something never done before (or at least I cant think of anything before it)

I can't disagree with anyone who would compose a list the lumps Pretty Hate Machine, Land of Rape and Honey, Electric, Under the Table and Dreaming and 2112 together. Looks a lot like my iTunes favorites.
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Nice, hadnt even read your previous post before mentioning NIN.

Oh, and rap still blows :biggrin:
 
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strohs said:
The wall has some really bright spots, but too much clutter and odd stuff for me.
Put another way, I listen to DSOTM straight thru, the wall I have to skip some parts, just too weird...
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I agree...I am a HUGE Floyd fan and personally I think the Wall has some of their worst moments in music, not including "The Final Cut" and "More"

My favorite albums are DSOTM, Division Bell, WYWH, and Meddle
 
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Saw31 said:
Oh come on now...you know what you want to say here...just say it...You are making so many assumptions about me and others who disagree with you, why not just say what you want to say and show everyone what kind of ignoramus you are. You like to come exceedingly close to calling people "racists", why not just say it. Why not?, because (self-admittedly) you have no idea who is sitting on the other side of this keyboard, but since you have some kind of conditioned response to someone who says "Rap blows", you just can't resist that instinctual reaction. "He must be racist!" It matters not that I've mentioned the Supremes or the Temptations or Robert Johnson, whose musical talent and impact is astronomically greater than any rapper. You try to disarm people by implying Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Wonder don't count as "black". Um, you don't get to decide that...I'm done discussing this since it is completely obvious that you believe you are the resident "black culture" expert...If that's not the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard...at age 23, I believe you said in another thread, you are not an expert at anything but being young and stupid...
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Speaking of making assumptions...:roll1:

Never said you were racist. Never said anyone was racist. The only people I even began to imply might be a little racist were the architects of that first list of the 'greatest albums of all time', and I still maintain that sentiment. I'm sorry - Run DMC, Public Enemy, NWA, Dr. Dre, Tupac, Wu-Tang Clan et al are massively significant artists to a huge portion of this country and its culture. You say Jimi Hendrix? Awesome. He did then and continues to kick ass. Ditto Stevie Wonder. I never suggested for a moment that those guys weren't black, but it's irrefutable that they come from and represent a completely different era and incarnation of 'black culture' than do the above mentioned musicians.

Hate rap all you want - I don't care. You want to talk about ridiculous statements? You think I'm lashing back at you because you don't like rap, when I've stated several times in several different instances that it doesn't matter whether you like it or not in terms of this discussion. If you're going to seriously try to calculate the 'greatest albums of all time', you can't exlude any one genre. That's almost verbatim from one of my earlier posts. Again, I can't stand country music. It makes my skin crawl. Did I not say that I would feel obligated to consider its relative significance to our culture as a whole were I ever to compile such a list? Fucking right I did.

Now in regards to the conclusions you've drawn on me...that I "believe [I am] the resident "black culture" expert," sorry, no. I prefaced that last post with as genuine a statement as I could - I don't know your background, nor do I know anyone else's here, with a scant few exceptions. The purpose behind that post was to demonstrate that while The Beatles did have an enormous impact on this country, there is a considerable portion of the population on which The Beatles had little to no effect. It's a simple statement of fact. No agenda, no shit between the lines. You contended that even the most significant of all modern rap artists could never even come close to the impact The Beatles had, and I refuted it outright. If that makes you mad, and causes you to rebuke by dismissing me as "young and stupid," then I have only one thing to say:

You, sir, are an ageist.
 
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vrbryant said:
You, sir, are an ageist.
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Playing the age card.

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The only people I even began to imply might be a little racist were the architects of that first list of the 'greatest albums of all time', and I still maintain that sentiment.
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Uh no.......they composed a list of greatest albums of all time, based on what that station plays. If it was a rap station, they'd probably name the 50 greatest rap albums of all time. I wouldnt call them racist toward white people if they did that :biggrin:
 
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BrutusMaximus said:
Uh no.......they composed a list of greatest albums of all time, based on what that station plays. If it was a rap station, they'd probably name the 50 greatest rap albums of all time. I wouldnt call them racist toward white people if they did that :biggrin:
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Oh, you're absolutely right. Believe me - I was not, not for a minute, saying with any real degree of certainty or, ah, 'seriosity' that those people are racist. My point was that of all my comments in this thread, that one alone even came close to making such a claim.
 
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