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Alex Rodriguez tested positive for roids' in 2003

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3074326;1403682; said:
Haha, I don't know why a sample has to be taken to determine whether or not steroids should be banned substances. I know you didn't do this. I just think the entire thought process was stupid, and I'm not willing to let those off the hook who did it regardless of whether it was illegal or not. If I'm being unfair to those guys, sucks for them. I don't really care. :)
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I'll agree the whole thing and the idea behind it was a clusterfuck, and like BB73 said it was pretty much bound to blow up in MLB's face the way it has. ARod just happens to be the fall-guy today, and whether steroid use is right or wrong or illegal or not, it just pisses me off that individual standouts of the last decade keep taking all the blame for the problems of the league/sport itself. Selig is a moron, and so much of this is his fault.
 
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3074326;1403690; said:
And there's the allegation that the Union tipped Rodriguez that he was going to be tested in '04.
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I can believe but the union it sounded like never the let players during the anonymous 03 testing never let the players know there was a chance that this could come back to haunt them
 
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BayBuck;1403693; said:
I'll agree the whole thing and the idea behind it was a clusterfuck, and like BB73 said it was pretty much bound to blow up in MLB's face the way it has. ARod just happens to be the fall-guy today, and whether steroid use is right or wrong or illegal or not, it just pisses me off that individual standouts of the last decade keep taking all the blame for the problems of the league/sport itself. Selig is a moron, and so much of this is his fault.
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Agree. Rodriguez is going to get a lot of shit (rightfully so IMO), but the problems with the way MLB was run deserve to get just as much, and they won't.
 
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DaytonBuck;1403696; said:
I can believe but the union it sounded like never the let players during the anonymous 03 testing never let the players know there was a chance that this could come back to haunt them
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Well, anyone dumb enough to believe that this eventually wouldn't have some sort of consequence is pretty naive. But maybe that's my paranoia talking.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1403657; said:
Again, I recognize steroids are illegal in the United States (Well, the one's we're talking about, anyway). But, that being so, they were NOT illegal in baseball.

There is a critical difference.
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Is there a rule preventing the third base coach from going into the opposing teams dugout during the fourth inning of a no hitter and slashing the throat of the pitcher throwing it?
 
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OHSportsFan9;1403763; said:
Interview is on ESPN now.

A lot of the same BS we've heard from everyone, mixed with the typical strategy of avoiding questions.

Played the victim card in regards to the reporter "stalking" him.
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His admission has been weak thus far.....he still hasn't admitted to using roids' technically. He admits to being negliegent and naive and loose about what he wa sputting in his body, and for that he is sorry.

What is so hard about saying, "I injected roids', I was stupid, and I am sorry".

It's funny how on point Jose Canseco was with 95% of this. Who remebers a year or two ago when he said Rodriguez was a user in Texas and everyone shrugged him off as needing more attention?
 
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billmac91;1403770; said:
It's funny how on point Jose Canseco was with 95% of this. Who remebers a year or two ago when he said Rodriguez was a user in Texas and everyone shrugged him off as needing more attention?
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I was thinking the same thing about Canseco today. How many people that he named are still in the 'haven't admitted it or been proven guilty' category?
 
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billmac91;1403770; said:
His admission has been weak thus far.....he still hasn't admitted to using roids' technically. He admits to being negliegent and naive and loose about what he wa sputting in his body, and for that he is sorry.

What is so hard about saying, "I injected roids', I was stupid, and I am sorry".

It's funny how on point Jose Canseco was with 95% of this. Who remebers a year or two ago when he said Rodriguez was a user in Texas and everyone shrugged him off as needing more attention?
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Isn't this pretty much exactly what Giambi did? He apologized, but never really said why or for what.

BB73;1403775; said:
I was thinking the same thing about Canseco today. How many people that he named are still in the 'haven't admitted it or been proven guilty' category?
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I remember people writing him off when they heard he threw out A-Rod's name. Kinda funny.
 
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BB73;1403678; said:
The whole thing is such a mess, and yeah, I blame Selig. He needed to have the balls to institute better testing years ago - invoking the "good of the game" commissioner's powers, rather than letting the Player's Union prohibit any testing program with any real teeth. And the incompetent, complicit bastard made $17.5 million for being commish in 2007.
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Exactly. Fact is, the long ball saved Baseball... roids increased the chances of the long ball.... I have no doubt Selig was "willfully blind"

DaytonBuck;1403686; said:
Doesn't the players union deserve some blame this? They've held out against stricter testing and absolutely let their members down by letting this ARod situation leak.
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That's a good point. I suppose on the one hand I can see the MLBPA's angle in as much as it's a representative of the players, but at the same time, it's a tough argument to make that players shouldn't be tested for doping.
Best Buckeye;1403692; said:
If the allegations are true that would make him a lying, cheating, law breaking thief.
Sorry I can't condone any of that.

Just saying
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Lying? He has admitted to using roids from '01 - '03. Thus, he didn't Lie.
Cheating? Find me the rule from MLB in '01, '02 or '03 that says he was breaking any rule? Throwing a spitball is explicitly against the rules. Shooting roids was not. Thus, he didn't CHeat.
Law - He only broke the law if he possessed them. It's a technicality, I realize that. I'll even concede he broke the law.... he just didn't break a baseball law.
Thief - I have no clue where you get the idea he has committed a theft offense.
BUCKYLE;1403714; said:
Is there a rule preventing the third base coach from going into the opposing teams dugout during the fourth inning of a no hitter and slashing the throat of the pitcher throwing it?
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Specifically, no.... and I get your point.... but the line between shooting drugs in to your own butt and killing another is not so slight.

The fact is, steroids are believed to give a player an edge. Players have been looking for an edge ever since the game began. There was no rule against using these drugs. I find it remarkable that anyone would find it shocking that a player WOULDN'T attempt to gain an advantage - especially when there were NO consequences for this particular advantage being sought.

BLs point about the spit ball is a good one, actually.... in 1920 the spitter was made illegal. As I mentioned, Jack Chesbro won 41 games with the spitter some years before the conduct was outlawed. His record stands, as he was not doing anything wrong at the time, even though it's certainly "wrong" now. Now, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing spitballers were "hiding" what they were up to even when there was no rule against it. In any event.... rightly or wrongly, there are SPECIFIC rules against scuffing baseballs.... SPECIFIC... yet there are plenty of these cheaters in the HOF....

Again, I'm no fan of roids and I think it's stupid to take such drugs. But, an athlete trying to gain a competitive edge is what we should expect, isnt it? Until a sport bans a particular manner in gaining that edge, and Buckyle's extreme example aside, I would anticipate that athletes try and maximize their advantage.

Like Bay says, if A-Rod test positive in 2009... fuck him. But coming at me with 6 year old news? Spare me.
 
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