Alex Rodriguez tested positive for roids' in 2003

[Aaron Burr]

I'm BEGGING someone to cap this fucker.

 

[Bucklion]

I'm BEGGING someone to cap this fucker.

Well duels aside, Mr. Vice President, my biggest question is...will Madonna still do him with smaller nuts?

 

[3074326]

Good to see he's not taking the worst route possible. I'll give him credit there..

This doesn't mean that I feel sorry for him, or am just going to forget about it. Fuck him. I'm just glad he admitted it instead of making a circus out of it.

 

[jlb1705]

I'm not sure I understand.... I mean.... I had my idols too, but I really don't give a pint of [censored] if they've been banned from baseball for betting on it (Pete Rose) or whether they have retired gracefully (Nolan Ryan). I feel no different regarding either despite their different legacies.

Nolan Ryan? You mean the guy who spent half his career using painkillers to gain an edge?

You can't tell me it doesn't aid in recovery time. Bob Feller or Lefty Grove wouldn't have been able to come back nearly as fast after mercilessly beating the crap out of Robin Ventura with their pitching hand.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

Good point, JLB...

At least Parker was always clean.

 

[Dryden]

Good to see he's not taking the worst route possible. I'll give him credit there..

This doesn't mean that I feel sorry for him, or am just going to forget about it. Fuck him. I'm just glad he admitted it instead of making a circus out of it.

Problem is is that I don't know that I can believe him when he says, 'Yeah, but ... I only did it from 2001-2003.'

The next step in this is going to be the tidal wave of hundreds of players using the 'Yeah, but ...' excuse, since it worked for Andy Pettitte. I think most of them will still be lying when they admit they used but all simultaneously quit in '03 & '04.

 

[3074326]

Problem is is that I don't know that I can believe him when he says, 'Yeah, but ... I only did it from 2001-2003.'

The next step in this is going to be the tidal wave of hundreds of players using the 'Yeah, but ...' excuse, since it worked for Andy Pettitte. I think most of them will still be lying when they admit they used but all simultaneously quit in '03 & '04.

To me, how long he did it doesn't matter. He cheated. Credibility out the window. The admission was what I was referring to.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

To me, how long he did it doesn't matter. He cheated. Credibility out the window. The admission was what I was referring to.

Does the cheating credibility out the window thing go for spitballers/foreign substance users? Bat Corkers?

Just curious, since above it was argued that not all cheating is the same... just wanted to know how you came out on that score.

 

[3074326]

Does the cheating credibility out the window thing go for spitballers/foreign substance users? Bat Corkers?

Just curious, since above it was argued that not all cheating is the same... just wanted to know how you came out on that score.

Enhancing physical ability is kind of on a level by itself IMO. I should've been more specific and said "he used steroids" instead of "he cheated."

Not all cheating is the same.. there are different penalties for a reason.

 

[jlb1705]

I'm BEGGING someone to cap this [censored]er.

Alexander Hamilton Rodriguez?

 

[BayBuck]

Enhancing physical ability is kind of on a level by itself IMO. I should've been more specific and said "he used steroids" instead of "he cheated."

Not all cheating is the same.. there are different penalties for a reason.

What is the penalty for having used steroids in 2003? :)

 

[BuckeyeTillIDie]

At least he admitted to it, unlike all the other liars like Bonds, McGuire, Clemens, etc.

 

[3074326]

What is the penalty for having used steroids in 2003?

What's the penalty now? They've obviously learned not to be as worthless as an organization and recognized that it's a form of cheating more punishable than pretty much anything else.

I hope you're not arguing that using steroids isn't a form of cheating. Any illegal performance-enhancer is cheating, no matter what the rules say IMO. Emphasis on IMO.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

What is the penalty for having used steroids in 2003? :)

Which is a great point.....

If MLB did not have any roids on the banned substance list... who is to say A-Rod and the rest were "cheating" at all?

Numbers - illegal, sure... but... not against the rules. In strict MLB terms, A-Rod was not "cheating" because he wasn't using a prohibited substance. If he had used too much pine tar, sure.. cheater.... but that's specifically in the rules...

 

[BayBuck]

What's the penalty now? They've obviously learned not to be as worthless as an organization and recognized that it's a form of cheating more punishable than pretty much anything else.

I hope you're not arguing that using steroids isn't a form of cheating. Any illegal performance-enhancer is cheating, no matter what the rules say IMO. Emphasis on IMO.

Call me when he gets busted using enhancers in '09 (when there is expanded testing and a clear MLB anti-enhancement agenda) -- until then I have trouble getting upset about players "cheating" back when the sport made virtually no effort to prevent them from doing so.