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Alex Rodriguez tested positive for roids' in 2003

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DaytonBuck said:
Why would the gaggle ofattorneys at the union ever let the players get themselves into a situation where they in a supposed "anonymous" situation had the potential to get revealed?
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I think one of the Union leaders kept the list because he was working on proving a lot of the 104 names as false-positives, in order to avoid MLB implementing a standardized drug test.
 
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DaytonBuck;1403864; said:
Why would the gaggle ofattorneys at the union ever let the players get themselves into a situation where they in a supposed "anonymous" situation had the potential to get revealed?
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I'm guessing, but I would imagine whoever leaked the information has breached some kind of agreement which carries with it some form of consequence. If, for example, there is a settlement agreement which says "And no one talks about this shit" and then someone talks, there is recourse available.

Or....

maybe they just "trusted" (Which seems highly stupid to me)
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1403825; said:
Exactly. Fact is, the long ball saved Baseball... roids increased the chances of the long ball.... I have no doubt Selig was "willfully blind"



That's a good point. I suppose on the one hand I can see the MLBPA's angle in as much as it's a representative of the players, but at the same time, it's a tough argument to make that players shouldn't be tested for doping.

Lying? He has admitted to using roids from '01 - '03. Thus, he didn't Lie.
Cheating? Find me the rule from MLB in '01, '02 or '03 that says he was breaking any rule? Throwing a spitball is explicitly against the rules. Shooting roids was not. Thus, he didn't CHeat.
Law - He only broke the law if he possessed them. It's a technicality, I realize that. I'll even concede he broke the law.... he just didn't break a baseball law.
Thief - I have no clue where you get the idea he has committed a theft offense.

Specifically, no.... and I get your point.... but the line between shooting drugs in to your own butt and killing another is not so slight.

The fact is, steroids are believed to give a player an edge. Players have been looking for an edge ever since the game began. There was no rule against using these drugs. I find it remarkable that anyone would find it shocking that a player WOULDN'T attempt to gain an advantage - especially when there were NO consequences for this particular advantage being sought.

BLs point about the spit ball is a good one, actually.... in 1920 the spitter was made illegal. As I mentioned, Jack Chesbro won 41 games with the spitter some years before the conduct was outlawed. His record stands, as he was not doing anything wrong at the time, even though it's certainly "wrong" now. Now, I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing spitballers were "hiding" what they were up to even when there was no rule against it. In any event.... rightly or wrongly, there are SPECIFIC rules against scuffing baseballs.... SPECIFIC... yet there are plenty of these cheaters in the HOF....

Again, I'm no fan of roids and I think it's stupid to take such drugs. But, an athlete trying to gain a competitive edge is what we should expect, isnt it? Until a sport bans a particular manner in gaining that edge, and Buckyle's extreme example aside, I would anticipate that athletes try and maximize their advantage.

Like Bay says, if A-Rod test positive in 2009... [censored] him. But coming at me with 6 year old news? Spare me.
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I'm fairly confident steroids fell under banned substances. The terminology was vague, but I recall a special with Fay Vincent about the collective bargaining agreement, in which a banned substance included illegal drugs.

So technically, he was violating the rules.

I'll try and find it if I can....
 
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billmac91;1403915; said:
I'm fairly confident steroids fell under banned substances. The terminology was vague, but I recall a special with Fay Vincent about the collective bargaining agreement, in which a banned substance included illegal drugs.

So technically, he was violating the rules.

I'll try and find it if I can....
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If you find that, I'll concede the issue. My understanding is there was no such rule.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1403920; said:
If you find that, I'll concede the issue. My understanding is there was no such rule.
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Steroids have been a banned substance since 1971. George Mitchell ripped MLB for not suspending a single player until 2002 on it.

Mitchell report: Baseball slow to react to players' steroid use - MLB - ESPN

They had been covered, it said, since management's 1971 drug policy prohibited using any prescription medication without a valid prescription, and were expressly included in Vincent's 1991 drug policy.
"Steroids have been listed as a prohibited substance under the Major League Baseball drug policy since then," the report said, although no player was disciplined for them until the 2002 labor agreement provided for testing.
Mitchell questioned whether players were tipped off about testing. He said a former player, whom he didn't identify, claimed he had been given two weeks' notice of a drug test by Gene Orza, the union's No. 2 official, in September 2004. Orza did not respond to a message seeking comment.
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BayBuck;1403647; said:
Call me when he gets busted using enhancers in '09 (when there is expanded testing and a clear MLB anti-enhancement agenda) -- until then I have trouble getting upset about players "cheating" back when the sport made virtually no effort to prevent them from doing so.
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Ring ring! :tongue2:

This makes the entire confidential testing thing completely fucking worthless. They were taking a sample to see if enough players were using banned substances to make sure that they should regularly test for banned substances.

:shake:

I'm thinking less of baseball by the minute.
 
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billmac91;1403925; said:
Steroids have been a banned substance since 1971. George Mitchell ripped MLB for not suspending a single player until 2002 on it.

Mitchell report: Baseball slow to react to players' steroid use - MLB - ESPN
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I'd have to look closer, but since you cannot get a prescription for Cocaine, it would not be banned under that interpretation of the rule. (It may well be illicit drugs are banned under a separate 1971 rule)

I can certainly see Mitchell's angle, but without the full 1971 rules in front of me, I cannot know for sure in what context that particular rule was written.

That said, it does appear that A-Rod and his ilk may have "Cheated" by the letter of the rule(s) and thus will not claim otherwise for now.
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1403938; said:
I'd have to look closer, but since you cannot get a prescription for Cocaine
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No one told me that
 
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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;1403825; said:
Lying? He has admitted to using roids from '01 - '03. Thus, he didn't Lie.
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During a 60 Minutes interview with Katie Couric in late 2007, he stated that he had never used steroids (or performance enhancing drugs). Thus, ipso facto, he did lie. I love that legalese.

cbsnews.60minutes

"For the record, have you ever used steroids, human growth hormone or any other performance-enhancing substance?" Couric asked.

"No," Rodriguez replied.
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BB73;1403951; said:
During a 60 Minutes interview with Katie Couric in late 2007, he stated that he had never used steroids (or performance enhancing drugs). Thus, ipso facto, he did lie. I love that legalese.

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That fucking Sammy Sosa.... I fucking hate that prick... look what he made A-Rod do.... Sosa should be molested by cows.

OK, so he's a liar and a cheat.... fucker can still hit, and he's on my fantasy team! :p

In any case, he's come clean now.... thus, he's removed the taint of his lie. (I just wanted to say taint)

Oh.... fuck Sammy fucking Sosa.
 
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