Alex Rodriguez tested positive for roids' in 2003

[Bleed S & G]

I got tired of hearing "I'm proud that I'm coming forward and putting it all out there" from A-Rod in that interview.

1.) You didn't put it all out there
2.) You've lied once before in an interview (See Couric)
3.) You are only coming forward because it's been made public, not because you wanted to be honest.

I really didn't care one way or another until the interview, but A-Rod is a douche.

 

[MaxBuck]

The journalists are just reporting, the person/people who leaked the information should be punished.

We agree on the people who leaked the info. But I also believe that the journalists acted recklessly, and at the very least should be charged with receiving stolen property.

 

[MaxBuck]

I got tired of hearing "I'm proud that I'm coming forward and putting it all out there" from A-Rod in that interview.

1.) You didn't put it all out there
2.) You've lied once before in an interview (See Couric)
3.) You are only coming forward because it's been made public, not because you wanted to be honest.

I really didn't care one way or another until the interview, but A-Rod is a douche.

Here's my problem with this whole thing: everybody regards A-Rod as a dick to begin with, and all the report has done is give everyone carte blanche to pile on. Does anyone truly believe that any of the sluggers of the late 90s and early 00s can be regarded as clean?

OK, let's all agree - A-Rod is a douche. So that's been said. Now, what else is new?

 

[Redhawk]

Alumni grumble as University of Miami prepares to honor A-Rod

CORAL GABLES, Fla. - Admission of guilt or not, it appears the show must go on.

Alex Rodriguez is still expected to appear Friday night at a fund-raiser for the University of Miami baseball team, when the Hurricanes will have a naming ceremony for their new stadium - Alex Rodriguez Park.

But that doesn't mean everyone is crazy about the idea in the wake of Monday's confession that A-Rod used steroids. "The man has done a lot of good for the school, enough so that changing the name of the (facility) would make sense," said one prominent baseball alumnus who asked for anonymity because he didn't want to anger school officials. "This is something you (wish wasn't) true.

"I could see some people being uncomfortable with a school building named for someone who admitted doing something wrong like that. It might not be the image any school wants put out there."

A-Rod signed with Miami out of high school before the Mariners made him the No.1 pick in the 1993 draft. Still, an attachment grew and in 2003 - the last year Rodriguez admits to taking steroids - he donated $3.9 million to the school, much of it for the baseball facility. As of Monday, Miami officials weren't changing the plan to honor him with the ballpark name.

Greg Ellena, who was MVP of the 1985 College World Series for the Hurricanes, admitted that when he first listened to A-Rod's full interview on ESPN Monday night, "The first thing I wondered is, 'What is UM going to do now?'

"This is a tough call because it hasn't all played out," Ellena continued. "I've been in the business world. I understand how much he's done, how much he's donated ... how much he is loved in Miami. I get why they wanted to do this. If they didn't want to put (his name) on it, I think it would only be right for there to be a conversation with him about it."

When Miami dedicated its baseball diamond as Mark Light Field in 1977, it was a feel-good story. George Light had funded its construction and naming it for his son, who died of muscular dystrophy, was a tribute.

The new stadium will be called Mark Light Field at Alex Rodriguez Park, but some connected with the baseball program wondered if adding Rodriguez's name might somehow taint the earlier dedication.

"If you know the Lights' story, I could see where looking at that name might be uncomfortable," another baseball alumnus said. "Maybe the best thing would be to hold off and wait to see how this plays out," Ellena said. "I believe that he is still a great benefactor, one of the best players and that he will be forgiven."

According to a university spokesman, the event is to go on as planned. The spokesman said officials and Rodriguez or his representatives were going to speak yesterday to discuss details for the invitation-only event.

 

[3074326]

We agree on the people who leaked the info. But I also believe that the journalists acted recklessly, and at the very least should be charged with receiving stolen property.

I don't see anything wrong with reporting a leak. It happens all the time. I don't think there's a journalist in the world who would've turned the story down.

Agree to disagree, I suppose.

 

[jlb1705]

During a 60 Minutes interview with Katie Couric in late 2007, he stated that he had never used steroids (or performance enhancing drugs). Thus, ipso facto, he did lie. I love that legalese.

cbsnews.60minutes

Depends on what the definition of "no" is.

Often times multimillionaires get divorced to date a gal 17 years their senior who also happens to be the biggest living icon for some this side Liza Minnelli

Exactly. There is only one type of man who loves Madonna......

Hispanic men who have shriveled-up 'roid balls?

 

[Bleed S & G]

Here's my problem with this whole thing: everybody regards A-Rod as a dick to begin with, and all the report has done is give everyone carte blanche to pile on. Does anyone truly believe that any of the sluggers of the late 90s and early 00s can be regarded as clean?

OK, let's all agree - A-Rod is a douche. So that's been said. Now, what else is new?

I never thought of him as a dick.. others may have.. let's just say, he's no Barry Bonds.

No, I don't think any of the sluggers that have put up big numbers are clean. No way.

What else is new? A-Rod was one of the few that was reguarded as being clean. Now there is an admission that he used. Thats new.

Other than that, nothing really and a non-story for me. I just thought the interview was a joke.

 

[Bucklion]

Funny thing is, you know the baseball loons in charge would be itching to at least be able to strip the MVP award from A-Roid, as well as Bonds, Caminiti, the Cys from Clemens, and anyone else they could, just to take their higher-art-thou "We really do care" moral high ground. Unfortunately for them, since there were no real rules in place, no real testing procedure, and no consequences for those 104 positive tests, they can't, and they look even worse now for having known they had that many and doing nothing about it.

As for the HOF, of course people all over the media are now saying it's over, guys like Bonds, McGwire, Clemens, Palmiero, and Sosa will never have any chance at the HOF. Well, for BKB, first off, fuck Sosa, he belongs in the other HOF (Hall of Fucksticks). As for McGwire, he was the "all he did was catch TDs" of his time, and if he was roided up when he hit most of his homers, the rest of his stats aren't HOF worthy. But Bonds and Clemens (And A-Roid) are the best players of their generation. So you either keep and entire generation out of the HOF, or they go in, because no one can know for sure who used and who didn't. I love Griffey, and I think he was clean, but if I was a bitter prick that didn't I would say he had a ton of hamstring injuries...Steroids 101. It's all or nothing. There's no way to know, so there's no way to separate.

 

[Buckeyeskickbuttocks]

fuck Sosa, he belongs in the other HOF (Hall of Fucksticks).

Great post! I agree..... the Hall of Fucksticks.. Isn't that located in the dead center of the star Sirius? I sure hope so. Bastard should be incinerated.

 

[OH10]

So you either keep and entire generation out of the HOF, or they go in, because no one can know for sure who used and who didn't. I love Griffey, and I think he was clean, but if I was a bitter prick that didn't I would say he had a ton of hamstring injuries...Steroids 101. It's all or nothing. There's no way to know, so there's no way to separate.

I don't agree with this mentality. You use your best judgment, taking all known factors into account... including steroids. Reasonable people will disagree on the value to be placed on steroid use.

 

[Bucklion]

I don't agree with this mentality. You use your best judgment, taking all known factors into account... including steroids. Reasonable people will disagree on the value to be placed on steroid use.

What known factors are those in terms of steroids? OK, Palmeiro you know at the end of his career. Clemens, well, probably, A-Rod early, Bonds you just know he did, but there's nothing definitive as to how or how long...I agree that reasonable people can disagree on how much the steroid factor would matter if you knew who used them...problem is you (meaning a HOF voter) would never know for sure. You can say X player tested positive or admitted to using whatever whenever they did, but there's no way to rule out that any player didn't. And for those that did, maybe it was half a season, maybe their whole career. Who knows? No one ever will. The only thing you can take into account for sure is who played the best during that time frame. Unfortunately innocent players will never be able to clear their names, because guilty ones will never be truly guilty.

 

[BB73]

Actually, A-Rod's story makes sense.

A) He knows whatever he took was banned, because he tested positive (I can only assume he was informed "You're positive" and not "You're positive for X")

B) In as much as the real illegality of steroids is in terms of possession (Some one feel free to check me on that, I have not scoped out the law specifically) it would be "wise" for a user to be "willfully blind" to whatever his trainer is giving him... 1 - he never possesses it... and 2 - plausible deniability....

Gammons himself says he felt A-Rod was being sincere and was truly emotional about all this... Everyone is free to draw their own conclusions about his "apology" of course, but in terms of damage control, it looks like A-Rod is playing the right cards.

I know why A-Rod didn't say what he took, why admit to anything. I'm just saying it's a BS apology when it's all about covering his own ass and trying to reserve his spot in the Hall of Fame. And when somebody agrees to do an interview in one of these situations, he should be grilled - I don't think Gammons did that.

It was an interview A-Rod agreed to after I'm sure he spent hours with his agent and his lawyer talking about what he should say. It's just damage control - he doesn't care about the kids or anybody else in baseball.

I'm amazed at the high percentages of people on the ESPN survey that aren't bothered by it - many people are just numb to these stories after so many of them.

Fuck A-Rod, Canseco, Bonds, Tejada, McGwire, Caminiti, Palmiero, Giambi and Clemens.

Fuck Selig and fuck MLB... well except for Sammy Sosa - him I've always liked.

 

[OH10]

What known factors are those in terms of steroids? OK, Palmeiro you know at the end of his career. Clemens, well, probably, A-Rod early, Bonds you just know he did, but there's nothing definitive as to how or how long...I agree that reasonable people can disagree on how much the steroid factor would matter if you knew who used them...problem is you (meaning a HOF voter) would never know for sure. You can say X player tested positive or admitted to using whatever whenever they did, but there's no way to rule out that any player didn't. And for those that did, maybe it was half a season, maybe their whole career. Who knows? No one ever will. The only thing you can take into account for sure is who played the best during that time frame. Unfortunately innocent players will never be able to clear their names, because guilty ones will never be truly guilty.

It's not criminal law. There's no presumption of innocence. Getting into the HOF is a privilege, not a right. I think voters are free to form beliefs about each individual candidate based upon what they know and the inferences therefrom.

 

[BB73]

Unfortunately innocent players will never be able to clear their names, because guilty ones will never be truly guilty.

The innocent players also won't get their fair shake in history. Today, Bonds, Clemens, and A-Rod are being called the greatest players of their generation. Well, Greg Maddux should be thought of as the greatest pitcher of his generation, but in the minds of most his career was overshadowed by that of Clemens, who was probably cheating for the last several years of his career.

And that sucks for Maddux, one of the few players most assume was clean for his entire career.

 

[Jaxbuck]

The innocent players also won't get their fair shake in history. Today, Bonds, Clemens, and A-Rod are being called the greatest players of their generation. Well, Greg Maddux should be thought of as the greatest pitcher of his generation, but in the minds of most his career was overshadowed by that of Clemens, who was probably cheating for the last several years of his career.

And that sucks for Maddux, one of the few players most assume was clean for his entire career.

Dickhead or not you have to include Pedro with Maddux in greatest pitcher conversations.

Both put up sick numbers in a prolific offensive era and both were either clean or had the worst chemists known to the steroid industry.