DaytonBuck
I've always liked them
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
They are members of a death cult. Present them with an argument that unborn children should not be killed in the womb, and you get a reflexive passion for death that is stunning - every time. But they only want to kill certain people - like the unborn. And with a pro-euthanasia stance, it seems like they prefer clinical killing in sterile environments. Other people, like the deaths of ordinary citizens in places like San Bernadino, don't elicit the same passion against those killers. But one thing they are for sure against is using the US military to kill terrorists. It seems the idea is to do a little for the sake of saying something is being done, but never actually go after these animals. It is certainly a confused mess of morality over there.
I agree that the president should be respected; the office, even if the man is not respectable. "Effete" describes this president's actions. "Pussy" is clearly pejorative and low-brow, and should be beneath serious people.
The thing I found funny was that this guy lost control of himself to the degree that he said that on national TV.
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BayBuck
Buckeyes are best
Does it really take toughs to kill babies? Seems to line up okay... As for the total pussy remark: meh. Any expectation I had that "media members" would treat the "office" with respect went out the window about 2004 (only because I was too young to give any shits what people were saying about Reagan or Clinton). Obama has proven to be a lot smaller than his office, and my advice to him would be, you gotta give respect to get respect.
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MaxBuck
SoCal, Baby!
You're aware, of course, that while in the womb the fetus isn't actually ... you know ... alive. It's functionally part of the mother's anatomy.
This whole "killing babies" meme pisses me off seriously. It would be nice if the Bible-thumpers actually opened the daggone thing and discovered that, although abortion was widely practiced when Jesus preached to the multitudes, He said not one word about the practice. NOT ONE WORD. Seems kind of strange if it's such an all-fired abomination in God's eyes.
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
Uh, I have studied embryology and neonatology on a graduate level, and I have seen thousands of sonograms in incredible detail. I understand the development of a human from conception to viable fetus. Abortion proponents are forced to study these fields and live in a certain degree of denial of what they are looking at. Morally, they are forced to engage in a game of intellectual Twister to arrive at a place where a developing child with a heartbeat, that is chromosomally human, and who has a fully formed human body isn't a human.
If I had no religious aspect to come at this with, the science and intellectual honesty would compel me to acknowledge the truth of what was in front of me.
The killing of babies preceded Christ in the form of Baal worship, Pharoah's attempt to kill the deliverer, and King Herod's attempt to kill the messiah. Science hadn't progressed by the time of Christ to invade the womb to kill children (although C-section delivery was developed around that time), and certainly the civilized cultures had not embraced such barbarian concepts like killing the unborn - even though primitive abortion techniques were around, being done in dark places here and there. Jesus didn't specifically address gay marriage either - because the idea was preposterous at the time. Abortion would have been an aberration at the time, not any kind of standard cultural practice, so it is no surprise that he did not specifically address it. However, he did have some children come to him, and he said, "If anyone would harm these little ones, it would be better for them to have a millstone hung around their neck and be thrown into the sea, then to have to face judgment." I think that covers it.
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For those of you who would like to compare @OSUK's opinion regarding the prevalence of abortions and its having been practice in civilized cultures, etc, to the historical record:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
and
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/f/When-Did-Abortion-Begin.htm
Are linked here for your review.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_abortion
and
http://civilliberty.about.com/od/abortion/f/When-Did-Abortion-Begin.htm
Are linked here for your review.
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Muck
Enjoy Every Sandwich
Aristotle, Plato, Pliny the Elder, Pliny the Younger, Seneca, Plutarch, Ovid, Cicero, & Hippocrates all wrote about abortion as did many early christians.
It was a well known & common practice at the time and the arguments on both sides were not so very different than today.
Edit: BKB beat me to it.
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Yeah, and slavery was practiced in many "civilized" cultures. Other cultures practice "honor killings", public stonings, and allow homosexual pedophilia. So, yea, nice support there, Skippy...
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OSUK
Sometimes lucid, mostly confused
Interesting ploy fellas. Evil has been around since 2 human beings were alive. Abortion is one of those evils. However, mothers in 30 AD were trying to do everything they could to have healthy children, not destroy them. That doesn't mean that no one was trying to do so. The implication of the question I was answering was that abortion was a huge issue in 30-33 AD. There is no way that it was. But these sophists want to change the question, and then use my answer to the other question as proof that I do not know what I am talking about. It's dishonest and despicable, but it's what they do.
The more relevant challenge would be for you to look at the incredible sonograms of 20 week old fetuses that we have today, and then proclaim that you are not looking at human beings. I understand the tactics to avoid that challenge. I would do the same thing if I was on the wrong side of this.
The more relevant challenge would be for you to look at the incredible sonograms of 20 week old fetuses that we have today, and then proclaim that you are not looking at human beings. I understand the tactics to avoid that challenge. I would do the same thing if I was on the wrong side of this.
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What the fuck are you talking about, dude?
I was pointing out that OSUK is, unsurprisingly, not aware of any reality but the one he has dreamed up to support his own belief system... something he would call "intellectual Twister" I do believe.
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