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8 player deal: Reds trade Kearns, Lopez to Nats for Majewski, Bray, Clayton

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Bucklion said:
The thing about Freel is...there's nothing eye-popping about anything in particular, but he really seems to have that "makes things happen" gene. He's in there hustling, and the Reds are better for it. Need to get him in there all the time.
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Normally I would agree, but if Freel showed us anything this year, it's that he can no longer handle the rigors of being an everyday player. Believe me, I am one of the biggest fans of Freel that there is, but when Griffey went on the DL earlier this year and Freel was starting almost every day in center, it took a toll on him and he went into his biggest slump of the year. He's a great sparkplug in the lineup, but he has the potential to burn out if overused.
 
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bearonu said:
Normally I would agree, but if Freel showed us anything this year, it's that he can no longer handle the rigors of being an everyday player. Believe me, I am one of the biggest fans of Freel that there is, but when Griffey went on the DL earlier this year and Freel was starting almost every day in center, it took a toll on him and he went into his biggest slump of the year. He's a great sparkplug in the lineup, but he has the potential to burn out if overused.
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A valid point. I wonder if using him in the infield instead of the outfield would make that less or more.
 
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Reds got fucked.

I am all for trading Lopez and Kearns but they simply have to be worth more than 2 set up men. Clayton, Harris and Thompson are garbage. I would have just stood pat for 2006 if this is all I could get and trade them during the off season for something more.

As far as the win now thing goes, anyone who honestly thinks a team who just lost 20 of their last 29 games is a legit contender needs to have their head examined. I don't care how weak the NL is this year.

We haven't won for 10 years, have some patience and build a truely solid organization from the farm system on up. Fix it on the fly gets you shit like this, selling the organizations prime chips for below market value so we can compete for a WC and maybe get a quick first round exit for our trouble. Fucking great.
 
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Basically this trade is a "we better do something so that the fans think we care".

As for Freel not being an everday player. Centerfield and 2B/SS are a lot different. He should not get burned out playing 2B. The reds need him in the lineup day in and day out. If you dont want to play him everyday then give him a rest every 5th game or so.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Reds got fucked.

I am all for trading Lopez and Kearns but they simply have to be worth more than 2 set up men. Clayton, Harris and Thompson are garbage. I would have just stood pat for 2006 if this is all I could get and trade them during the off season for something more.

As far as the win now thing goes, anyone who honestly thinks a team who just lost 20 of their last 29 games is a legit contender needs to have their head examined. I don't care how weak the NL is this year.

We haven't won for 10 years, have some patience and build a truely solid organization from the farm system on up. Fix it on the fly gets you shit like this, selling the organizations prime chips for below market value so we can compete for a WC and maybe get a quick first round exit for our trouble. Fucking great.
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Prime chips??? a dime a dozen outfielder and a SS with less range than my dead grandmother??? Now, if the Reds had traded Homer Bailey I'd be right with ya...but I do believe the value being placed on Austin Kearns and HUMA Lopez is a little on the high side.
 
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Honor&Glory said:
Prime chips??? a dime a dozen outfielder and a SS with less range than my dead grandmother??? Now, if the Reds had traded Homer Bailey I'd be right with ya...but I do believe the value being placed on Austin Kearns and HUMA Lopez is a little on the high side.
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Trust me I wanted both gone and I don't reall like either player. However as far as position players go these two are just behind Dunn in what we have of value(I consider EE untouchable).

I like what this trade does for our pen but I just have a hard time believing thats all those 2 players together are worth.
 
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Wow, I am not that knowegable about baseball to know, but I am amazed by the tenor of you all. I thought that Krinsky and Castellini were capable operators. They are certainly better than Margie and Daddy Carl. I am sure that they though that they got more value than they gave away.

What do you think was their reasoning?
 
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Folanator said:
Wow, I am not that knowegable about baseball to know, but I am amazed by the tenor of you all. I thought that Krinsky and Castellini were capable operators. They are certainly better than Margie and Daddy Carl. I am sure that they though that they got more value than they gave away.

What do you think was their reasoning?
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Just looking at it, seems they really thought the one area they needed to shore up was the middle relief (dunno about that, but...). So, they get Guardado, and then they trade two players who they view as being expendable in the future (Kearns and Lopez) to probably the only team willing to take them both and part with solid middle relief. Still, Clayton? I REALLY don't get that one, especially since he's just as crappy a fielder as Lopez. Maybe they think they'll get Freel in there more, and the young guys can replace them...I just am not sure I agree, nor do I think that 2 bullpen guys from the Nats are the key to heading to the promised land.
 
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I for one am happy about this trade. I doubt clayton sees the field much in cinci, because we already have castro and phillips possibly moving to ss next year. A lot of Lopez's errors come late in the game and have directly effected the outcome of a couple of games this season. Our bullpen has been absolutey terrible and we just picked up two young guys with a lot of promise. As far as kearns goes, I really dont care. I am really excited to see what Denorfia can do, as he has been tearing it up in AAA.
Krivsky has not let me down yet, and I am happy the team is willing to make something happen.:biggrin:
 
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I will try to look at this trade with a strict application of a glass half-full policy.

What wins championships (yeah, dream on)

OK, what gets you to the Wild Card game.
Pitching and Defense.

The Reds had a dearth of relief pitching. This trade (and the earlier acquisition of Guardado) helps shore up what was a pretty darned shaky bull-pen. In particular though this gives an oportunity to let Coffey revert more to middle relief and lean on Guardado for saves. The pitcher given up by the Reds? Wagner, who is likely a full season away from contributing at the major league level. The likelihood of him appearing in a Nats uniform is slim to none in '06.

On the defensive front let's go with less is more. Lopez was a walking error machine. Not that he was alone in fielding poorly, but, 14 errors? So we should look forward to surer fielding in the infield right?

OK, now every glass that is half-full is missing the cream. In this trade it is really more the loss of kearns than any other factor that has many Reds fans hacked off. But, to get pitching you have to trade away something. It was widely recognized that if the Reds were in any kind of position to make a move for the post-season Kearns would most likely be one of the trading chips. Well, he's been used. Given the new management's more aggressive (and positive) record in trades I'll give them a little bit of leeway over moving Kearns. After all, you can't spend that chip if you keep it in your hip pocket, can you?

Finally, there is the (reverse) factor of grass is greener.

Did Bowden suddenly become a true maestro? Shall I even begin to run through the litany of broke-dick trades he engaged on? Yes, he was Mr. Excitement, but did the trades really work out? Even a majority of the same? So, I'm of a mind to say: consider the recipient and his record. When you do that I think, in all likelihood, that we shall look back and say Bowden is the one that got gored, again.
 
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I for one really like this trade.

It really shows me that these guys in the front office understand what it takes to win games and they are turning our weakness into somewhat of a strength. Majewski is only 26 so he will be around for awhile and he is already a very good middle reliever and Bray is only 23 and he has posted very good numbers in his times in the majors.

As for Clayton it is not like we are going to need him everyday, but he is a very good defensive player and we can put him in in the late innings much like Castro.

It will also allow us to let Denorfia play, since he has just been lighting up in AAA, and he brings speed to the outfield much like Freel and something Kearns didnt do.

Overall we got rid of two guys that had potential, but never showed the willingness to really bust out and we have guys that will fill in for them and we have shored up the pen somewhat.

With the way the NL is down this year we just made ourselves a contendor.
 
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heard a stat today on the radio...of all MLB SS that have the opportunity to turn a DP with 1 out and a runner on first, HUMA Lopez ranks last in MLB and ranks first in errors under the same scenario...Clayton, however is ranked near the top for conversions and near the bottom for errors. :)
 
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