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8 player deal: Reds trade Kearns, Lopez to Nats for Majewski, Bray, Clayton

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Narron really needs to play Edwin everyday. He is one of the teams best hitters, and good things happen when he plays. He has reached base 7 of his last 9 plate appearances and in the last 2 games he have played we scored 15 runs, compared to 6 in the last 2 games he didn't. Sure he makes errors sometimes, but he also makes some great defensive plays and gets to balls that Rich doesn't.
 
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Narron really needs to play Edwin everyday. He is one of the teams best hitters, and good things happen when he plays. He has reached base 7 of his last 9 plate appearances and in the last 2 games he have played we scored 15 runs, compared to 6 in the last 2 games he didn't. Sure he makes errors sometimes, but he also makes some great defensive plays and gets to balls that Rich doesn't.
He will eventually play more but he has to learn how to field the ball better. He just came off the DL anyways, he will get more time.
 
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sports talk show host, Lance McCallister is reporting on his blog that the Reds are making a run at Elmer Dessens and Reggie Sanders from the Royals and they are also going after Kyle Loshe of the Twins.
 
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sports talk show host, Lance McCallister is reporting on his blog that the Reds are making a run at Elmer Dessens and Reggie Sanders from the Royals and they are also going after Kyle Loshe of the Twins.
Why on earth would the Reds want Sanders and Dessens back? Dessens would provide some help, but Sanders doesn't make any sense to me, and the Reds certainly don't need more outfielders; they've been trying to unload a surplus of outfielders for three years now.

I'd rather Lohse stay in Minnesota, unless we get to swap him for Milton even-up. Lohse is a flyball pitcher with a career ERA near 5. Him and GABP would be a disaster. His $4M salary doesn't improve the club either, especially if the Reds would have to pay Medicare for Clayton and Sanders.

I'd rather take a chance calling up Homer Bailey and let the chips fall where they may.
 
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Why on earth would the Reds want Sanders and Dessens back? Dessens would provide some help, but Sanders doesn't make any sense to me, and the Reds certainly don't need more outfielders; they've been trying to unload a surplus of outfielders for three years now.

I'd rather Lohse stay in Minnesota, unless we get to swap him for Milton even-up. Lohse is a flyball pitcher with a career ERA near 5. Him and GABP would be a disaster. His $4M salary doesn't improve the club either, especially if the Reds would have to pay Medicare for Clayton and Sanders.

I'd rather take a chance calling up Homer Bailey and let the chips fall where they may.
Wise is the current backup OF if you dont include Freel. Sanders would be nice off the bench and to play a copule games a week. Now I'm sure the Royals would have to eat some of his contract for the Reds to go after this deal.
 
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Wise is the current backup OF if you dont include Freel. Sanders would be nice off the bench and to play a copule games a week. Now I'm sure the Royals would have to eat some of his contract for the Reds to go after this deal.
I agree if he comes as a backup outfielder, but Narron loves him his vets so Reggie would probably start over Deno. Just look what he has done with Rich/Edwin.

As for Dessens, this team needs a 5th starter. Marching Claussen or Mays out their every 5th day isn't going to cut it down the stretch. I certainly wouldn't give up anything of not for him, but Elmer is a good target.

Wise is terrible. I would rather see Brandon Watson up here then him.
 
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I agree if he comes as a backup outfielder, but Narron loves him his vets so Reggie would probably start over Deno. Just look what he has done with Rich/Edwin.

As for Dessens, this team needs a 5th starter. Marching Claussen or Mays out their every 5th day isn't going to cut it down the stretch. I certainly wouldn't give up anything of not for him, but Elmer is a good target.

Wise is terrible. I would rather see Brandon Watson up here then him.
My bias towards Reggie (my favorite Red) would want him to start over Deno but I know that isnt whats best for this team. Sanders would be great as a 3rd day player and in case Deno does start to struggle(I dont think he will) Sanders could step in. We already have Dunn and Griffey who K too much to have Sanders in the lineup every day. We need contact and small ball, which is what Deno brings to the plate.
 
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ESPN's Buster Olney chimes in, as the only analyst I've read who understands why Krivsky did what he felt he had to do:

Insider $:
http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

Summary: Olney likens middle relievers to oil stocks: They're volatile, but their value is always increasing. Really, if you look at player salaries by positions, middle relievers have always gotten the short end of the stick when you consider their "worth" versus what they actually get paid. Bottom line, you can't win without a bullpen, and GMs are collectively having their "Eureka moment" and are beginning to realize this. Problem is ... there aren't any good middle relievers out there.

As an aside, Krivsky refuses to call them "middle relievers," he thinks there are (1) closers, (2) short/middle guys, (3) long guys, and (4) guys who can get a lead to the closer.

Group #4, the "setup man," is the hardest to get. The Yankees just set a precedent this past off season when they paid $17M for Kyle Farnsworth, then the BoSox went and set off the price war when they got Tavarez and Seanez. The Mets went out of their way to get Duaner Sanchez, actually trading a starter for a setup man.

Essentially, Krivsky sees the trade as a win-win. Either they fix the bullpen and allow Weathers and Coffey to actually get days of rest, or what they got will still be just as valuable to somebody else -- particularly Bray.

Olney mentions that Krivsky feels he got his guys, his "setup men," while Bowden feels he merely traded some "middle relievers."

That last parting shot sums up everything right with Krivsky and wrong with Bowden.
 
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Dispatch

7/18/06

Reds trade makes sense if you really seek playoffs

Tuesday, July 18, 2006


BOB HUNTER

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The uproar in the immediate aftermath of the Reds trade with Washington was predictable. In a sports world consumed with offense, trading Austin Kearns and Felipe Lopez for a couple of relief pitchers and an old shortstop must have seemed absolutely loony to a lot of people, particularly after hearing for so long that Kearns was going to be a star.
Some of this stems from our Rotisserie-league mentality. A good fantasy league GM would never give up a couple of potential 30-home run guys for some middle relief help (Bill Bray and Gary Majewski) and a veteran shortstop (Royce Clayton) whose defense is more reliable than Lopez’s was.
But wait a minute, this is real baseball, isn’t it? Little things like a shortstop’s range and the number of routine grounders an infielder boots have a bearing on winning and losing games. A reliever who regularly pitches a scoreless inning or two in a close game can affect a team’s record just as much as a guy who occasionally wins a game with a home run.
Relief pitching isn’t sexy. The bullpen doesn’t receive so much as a passing glance when it’s doing its job. But when it is consumed by failure, as the Reds bullpen was, it can be every bit as fatal as a lineup of .200 hitters.
It pays to remember the best trades aren’t always the most popular ones on the day they are made. One of the most unpopular moves in Reds history — the trade of Lee May, Tommy Helms and Jimmy Stewart to Houston in November 1971 — turned out to be one that revved up the Big Red Machine for most of the next five seasons.
It was heavily criticized in Cincinnati because May and Helms were popular with fans and May was a proven slugger, and because it didn’t appear the Reds were getting much offense in return. That turned out to be wrong; Joe Morgan won two National League MVPs for his offense and defense. But the trade was also huge because it gave the Reds a solid starting pitcher (Jack Billingham) and a capable center fielder (Cesar Geronimo) that helped complete one of the great teams in baseball history.
Reds general manager Wayne Krivsky might have paid too high a price for relief help. It seems as if he could have gotten two capable relievers for something less than two everyday players, and if he had waited, maybe he could have.
But given the way the Reds were losing games — they finished the first half with a 5.21 relief ERA that was highest in the majors — the window of opportunity was closing quickly.
There are three good teams in the National League. Four make the playoffs. That simple equation opened the door for a merely decent Reds team, which has been leading this pack of wild-card pretenders for most of the season and has a narrow 2 1 /2-game edge entering a three-game series with the National League East-leading New York Mets.
Some might not see this as an important opportunity, but the facts suggest otherwise: Wildcard teams have played in the past three World Series and won two. It’s the nature of a sport that requires 162 games to separate the best from the worst: If you get into the playoffs, even teams that might be only the best of a mediocre lot of wildcard contenders have a chance to win it all.
But Lopez and Kearns? A lot of general managers take the cautious approach. Former Reds general manager Bill Bergesch wouldn’t consider trading any of the team’s "crown jewels" until some proved to be cubic zirconia. The thought of trading a guy who might become a star somewhere else was an anathema to him, even if it meant sacrificing a chance to win a title.
Crazy as that notion seemed 15 years ago, it seems even crazier now. The Reds haven’t been to the postseason since 1995. They probably weren’t good enough to make it this year with Lopez and Kearns and a bad bullpen.
A good trade? Hard to say. But too steep a price? No.
When you’re a small-market GM in a big-market game, you can’t afford to let a good chance go.

Bob Hunter is a sports colum nist for The Dispatch
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While reading Jayson Stark's "Who's hot?" report, posted today, Reggie Sanders is listed at #6 on the interest-meter (behind Soriano, Abreu, Maddux, Hernandez, and Schmidt).

The Yankees are interested in Sanders (their Plan B) since they can't get anywhere with Abreu. However, Royals GM Dayton Moore would just be happy to unload Sanders to whomever will have him for $5M in 2007, so is only seeking a second-tier prospect.

Sanders was scratched from the Royals / Bo Sox game last night with a groin strain, so all interested teams negotiations with the Royals have ground to an abrupt halt.
 
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In my view, Lopez OR Kearns for the set up men would have been enough. The Padres have wanted Kearns so bad for so long, I bet he could have done better to look in to Linebrink than go to Washington and overpay. Yeah, the Reds had offense to spend, and need a bullpen in the worst way, so I can say it makes sense in that respect. Time will tell, I guess, but I'm in the camp with nearly everyone else.. horrible deal.

Oh, and Royce Clayton could possibly be the worst hitter in all of baseball (up to and including 4 year old T-Ball teams)
 
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In my view, Lopez OR Kearns for the set up men would have been enough. The Padres have wanted Kearns so bad for so long, I bet he could have done better to look in to Linebrink than go to Washington and overpay. Yeah, the Reds had offense to spend, and need a bullpen in the worst way, so I can say it makes sense in that respect. Time will tell, I guess, but I'm in the camp with nearly everyone else.. horrible deal.

Oh, and Royce Clayton could possibly be the worst hitter in all of baseball (up to and including 4 year old T-Ball teams)

THANK YOU....at least someone finally gets what I've been saying since they picked him up (on pages 1 and 2). Clayton is roster deadweight...they're better off calling up an outfielder or trading for one.
 
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Tonight, we finally saw what the trade got the Reds. Bray and Majewski are not the solutions to the bullpen woes in and of themselves, but they also afford Standridge, Weathers, Mercker and Coffey to actually get days off and rest. With Everyday Eddie at the end, it's a completely different team.

... and there are still plenty of bats to spare.

Raise your hand if you thought four weeks ago that the Reds would win a game when:

1. The starter (Harang) is roughed up in two innings, then is put out for good after a 2-hour 23-minute rain delay.
2. The bullpen inherits an 0-4 deficit (then throws seven shutout innings).
3. Griffey and Dunn go a combined 0'fer 7, 2BB with 7 LOB (but the Reds still beat the best team in the NL 7-4)

Some things I think I think:

Clayton was a throw-in on the trade, simply because the Nats had no need to keep him while adding Lopez. The Reds don't need Clayton either though, not with Phillips, Aurilia, EE, and Freel to play three positions. Lopez had a career year last year though, and Clayton actually isn't that big a drop off statistically with the bat, and he's a better defender.

2006:
Clayton: .275/.322/.354
Lopez: .255/.345/.380

Sure, Lopez is at least young enough to still have an upside and has more pop, but swap Lopez's and Clayton's home ballparks for a half season and let's see where they wind up.

The Reds need to deal one of their catchers. LaRue may be below the Mendoza line with his average, but he is a gem as a defender. Ross carries the best bat. Valentin, with his .224/.287/.328 bat and his (comparitively low for his position) $1.15M salary probably won't be a Red too much longer.

Guardado's attitude and personality are worth $6.25M, nevermind he actually strikes people out, has silly putty for a rotator cuff, and could sleepwalk to 40 saves.
 
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