68 Team Tourney instead of 64, 65 or 96

[MaliBuckeye]

...because the tourney has always been 64 teams?

Unless everyone plays everyone, it's not really proving shit.

Agreed- And even then, it's still pretty subjective (Kansas beats UNI 8 times out of ten)...

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

The tournament is already a joke. Does anyone believe that the best team from 2009-10 will win the "NC"?

I love March Madness. I also think it's the best argument against a tourney for CFB. I don't want a "hot" fourth place Big East team upsetting a B10, B12, or even SEC champ, then claiming a National Title. Fuck that.

short of, say, 5- or 7-game series for each of the 65 matches, which is obviously impossible, the current basketball tournament format is the best system available. letting many teams decide overall superiority on the field of play is always preferable over picking (read: guessing) the two best teams and letting one game decide superiority over all other teams.

the college football championship has its own issues, too. first, i expect that most seasons there are more than two teams worthy of proving that they are the best. second, there have been and will be seasons culminating with a championship game where one participant proves unworthy of selection. third, a college football championship game does not necessarily produce a winner that is actually better than its opponent. truly inferior teams do beat otherwise better opponents.

no system used to determine a national champion is perfect. the nba and mlb championships approach perfection, but they still invite imperfection. that being stated, i think letting multiple teams decide overall superiority on the field of play will always be preferable to guessing which two of many teams are the best.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Unless everyone plays everyone, it's not really proving shit.

i'd rather have a championship where 18.7% (65/347) of the teams have an opportunity to win it all than a championship were 1.7% (2/120) of the teams have an opportunity.

 

[BUCKYLE]

short of, say, 5- or 7-game series for each of the 65 matches, which is obviously impossible, the current basketball tournament format is the best system available. letting many teams decide overall superiority on the field of play is always preferable over picking (read: guessing) the two best teams and letting one game decide superiority over all other teams.

the college football championship has its own issues, too. first, i expect that most seasons there are more than two teams worthy of proving that they are the best. second, there have been and will be seasons culminating with a championship game where one participant proves unworthy of selection. third, a college football championship game does not necessarily produce a winner that is actually better than its opponent. truly inferior teams do beat otherwise better opponents.

no system used to determine a national champion is perfect. the nba and mlb championships approach perfection, but they still invite imperfection. that being stated, i think letting multiple teams decide overall superiority on the field of play will always be preferable to guessing which two of many teams are the best.

I'm sitting here saying I don't prefer it. So always doesn't really work there. There are what...300+ teams in D1 CBB? The more teams you have in the tourney, the more fair it is. Cornell wouldn't have been a participant in a say...40 team tourney, and never would've beaten Kansas, who then goes on to win it all. Again, unless everyone plays everyone, then whatever fuckin' number of teams they let in doesn't really determine a real NC.

Leave football out of this horse abortion of a way to decide a NC.

 

[BUCKYLE]

Ohio State beat MSU. Ohio State beat as many or more of the same teams as MSU during the regluar season. Ohio State won the conference tourney. MSU is playing in the FF while Ohio State watches. Obviously MSU was the better team all year long.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Again, unless everyone plays everyone, then whatever fuckin' number of teams they let in doesn't really determine a real NC.

then every college football champion doesn't have a "real" championship. same goes for the nfl. same goes for tennis. same goes for, well, a lot of sports.

 

[OSU_Buckguy]

Ohio State beat MSU. Ohio State beat as many or more of the same teams as MSU during the regluar season. Ohio State won the conference tourney. MSU is playing in the FF while Ohio State watches. Obviously MSU was the better team all year long.

so only undefeated teams are worthy of a national championship?

 

[BUCKYLE]

then every college football champion doesn't have a "real" championship. same goes for the nfl. same goes for tennis. same goes for, well, a lot of sports.

Agreed. I like the way CFB is set up. I also like the way March Madness is set up. I don't think it can be said that either is "more fair" or "more right". They both are what they are. In which case, adding more teams just means more Madness, at least to me.

so only undefeated teams are worthy of a national championship?

They're the only ones that have a right...those that played a schedule with a pulse. Everyone else has an argument.

 

[BayBuck]

This is the part that interests me... WHO gets these extra bids? Will it be the conference champions that don't win their conference tournaments (ie Kent St)? Will it be more mid-major teams getting in? Or will it just be the 16-16 BCS conference teams that don't have a winning record in their conference?

I think it's clearly going to be option #3, which is why Delaney supports it, and which is why it's a terrible idea. Gives even more money to the big-six conferences and gives the "mid-major" champs an extra round to wash out against big-conference opponents.

 

[jwinslow]

That's baloney...

It's much more fair to decide the outcome on the playing surface, not in exclusionistic popularity contes

It's not unfair that osu has to beat 2-3 solid teams and 2-3 great ones to win the basketball title.

What would be unfair would be to let the acc number 1 lock up a spot every year unless they were especially weak that year. That's the system we have in football

Cfb isn't designed to be fair. It is designed to be exciting. It is designed to cater to the bandwagon fans, who think it's somehow bogus if a pretty good wvu team beats the alleged powerhouses and wins it all.

Cfb polls are idiotic and extremely harmful. Teams have a huge advantage or disadvantage based on baseless guesses before the season. Basketball works itself out from that preseason foolishness.


Pollsters are filled with idiots. Coaches often favor their conference mates over other squada in their voting. Coaches often aren't even voting, its some random intern or grad assistant filling it out for them.
.

A playoff leads to the the weakening of regular season games and 'do or die' excitement... Those are great reasons to avoid that system.

Wvu not being a true champion is bogus, as is the notion that the equality and rightness of the two are equal.

 

[BUCKYLE]

That's baloney...

It's much more fair to decide the outcome on the playing surface, not in exclusionistic popularity contes

It's not unfair that osu has to beat 2-3 solid teams and 2-3 great ones to win the basketball title.

What would be unfair would be to let the acc number 1 lock up a spot every year unless they were especially weak that year. That's the system we have in football

Cfb isn't designed to be fair. It is designed to be exciting. It is designed to cater to the bandwagon fans, who think it's somehow bogus if a pretty good wvu team beats the alleged powerhouses and wins it all.

Cfb polls are idiotic and extremely harmful. Teams have a huge advantage or disadvantage based on baseless guesses before the season. Basketball works itself out from that preseason foolishness.


Pollsters are filled with idiots. Coaches often favor their conference mates over other squada in their voting. Coaches often aren't even voting, its some random intern or grad assistant filling it out for them.
.

A playoff leads to the the weakening of regular season games and 'do or die' excitement... Those are great reasons to avoid that system.

Wvu not being a true champion is bogus, as is the notion that the equality and rightness of the two are equal.

To be honest, I don't give a flying fuck if CFB crowns a champ at all. I'd love to see tOSU have seven RB titles in ten years rather than back into the NC game.

That being said...did WVU win the regular season Big East title this year?

 

[jwinslow]

Ohio State beat MSU. Ohio State beat as many or more of the same teams as MSU during the regluar season. Ohio State won the conference tourney. MSU is playing in the FF while Ohio State watches. Obviously MSU was the better team all year long.

did rr hijack this account? Because he's one of the only people I know who could form a victim routine out of this scenario.

There's nothing unfair about msu playing on and osu sitting at home.

Msu manned up and outplayed, outmuscled the volunteers so they advanced. Osu got beat by a mile in heart and physicality against the exact same team, so they lost.


If the Evan Turner from February was playing in March, osu would be headed to indy. Instead the pressing, emotional Turner from 08 returned, culminating in a bad decision to seal osu's fate - instead of paasing to two wide open sharp shooters.


Msu got a lot better because their most talented pg finally got to run the show. Lucas is more consistent but is not as prolific as lucious, at least not this season.

 

[jwinslow]

No, but they beat OSU, so I'm not sure that's a great example.


It's not unfair that Troy Smith got soft in the offseason and OSU came in overconfident. That's their fault for not playing well enough with a title on the line.

By your logic about regular season glory, OSU should still have bragging rights over Florida since our regular season was better and it was unfair that we had to play a UF team that lucked into a NC berth (thanks to USC & UM losing).

 

[OH10]

Agreed- And even then, it's still pretty subjective (Kansas beats UNI 8 times out of ten)...

So says you. I watched a fair basketball game between the two and Northern Iowa won. The rest is just a guessing game amongst people who don't like to be proven wrong. That's an absurd way to decide who is best.

They're the only ones that have a right...those that played a schedule with a pulse. Everyone else has an argument.

And who determines that??? This year, I saw Kansas and Kentucky play what I thought were tough schedules and I thought they looked like the best teams in the country. That's the problem with playing the games in our minds instead of on the court or on the field. We are usually wrong.

 

[BUCKYLE]

did rr hijack this account? Because he's one of the only people I know who could form a victim routine out of this scenario.

There's nothing unfair about msu playing on and osu sitting at home.

Msu manned up and outplayed, outmuscled the volunteers so they advanced. Osu got beat by a mile in heart and physicality against the exact same team, so they lost.


If the Evan Turner from February was playing in March, osu would be headed to indy. Instead the pressing, emotional Turner from 08 returned, culminating in a bad decision to seal osu's fate - instead of paasing to two wide open sharp shooters.


Msu got a lot better because their most talented pg finally got to run the show. Lucas is more consistent but is not as prolific as lucious, at least not this season.

That's pretty fuckin' low. You could've just called me a douchebag.

I wasn't trying to claim tOSU was victimized. I was just trying to make a point that the fuckin' NCAA tournament champ is just that...the NCAA tourney champ. Not the best team from the 09-10 season. To act like adding more teams takes something away that was never really there is horseshit. Adding more teams means more "unbelievable upsets!!@11!!", period.

They could include every fuckin D1 team in the tourney, and you all would still fuckin watch. It's a good excuse to call off work when the weather is turning, and go grab a beer for lunch, and you fuckers know it. There aren't any other sports worth watching on tv until baseball and the NBA playoffs start.

Play like dream teamers for the first three quarters of the season, you get bounced in the first round. Play like dream teamers for the last quarter, you could be NCAA champs? That just doesn't seem fair. Who gets hot going into march isn't the best team from the season, imo. That's all I'm saying.