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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

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3074326;1839834; said:
Pretty fucking disappointed in these guys. How can that stuff have monetary value to them? I don't get it. Guess I was just raised differently. Personal accolades (awards, especially) are things that I wouldn't sell. If your parents are struggling, making 80+ teammates and coaches pay for it is not the right way to go about fixing it imo..

As much as I hate to say it, they shouldn't play a down in the Sugar Bowl.
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Terrelle Pryor is a world class athlete in two sports ... you are not. Pryor probably has about 8,000 awards, trophies, medals, recognitions, and various other accolades, so what's one more Big Ten championship ring, more or less? Just another item for the overstuffed trophy case.

jlb1705;1839839; said:
Also, for the people concerning themselves with the triviality of many of the NCAA's rules, think of it this way: Almost every dumb rule has a reason. If you want to know why any particular rule is on the books in the first place, simply ask yourself, "What would Alabama or Auburn do if that rule did not exist?"
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Tanner;1839845; said:
Thankfully these adults were punished for selling their possessions through legal channels. This is the America I want to live in. God bless the NCAA.
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See above. If the rule did not exist, then the Auburns and Alabamas of the world would load these kids up with so many "possessions" that it would be tantamount to paying them cash.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1839934; said:
Terrelle Pryor is a world class athlete in two sports ... you are not. Pryor probably has about 8,000 awards, trophies, medals, recognitions, and various other accolades, so what's one more Big Ten championship ring, more or less? Just another item for the overstuffed trophy case.




See above. If the rule did not exist, then the Auburns and Alabamas of the world would load these kids up with so many "possessions" that it would be tantamount to paying them cash.
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All true. And if he wanted to sell them, it just would have made more sense to do it after leaving tOSU, not before. As it is now, each of these kids is going to pay a HIGH price for this. First, they have to pay back all the money...but I assume they won't get back their awards. Meanwhile, they are asked to vacate half of next season which would make it difficult to integrate them back into the team. However, with the exception of Sol Thomas, next year is it for them. So here they are, none of them ready for the NFL, but that may be the next step anyway. HUGE price to pay for selling those items now instead of waiting until you were outa town.
 
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jlb1705;1839839; said:
Two things...

I could do without the "it's not fair because of how much money they generate for the university" argument. I don't root for the players, I root for the laundry - just like I don't go to McDonald's for the fry cook. McDonald's and bigtime college football quite similar in these basic respects - they both generate billions in revenue off the efforts of 'workers' who get relatively compensation in return. And you know what? It's justifiable. In five years time both your typical McDonald's restaurant and your typical college football program will have turned over almost their entire staff, and not a damn thing changes in terms of how much revenue either one will generate.

Also, for the people concerning themselves with the triviality of many of the NCAA's rules, think of it this way: Almost every dumb rule has a reason. If you want to know why any particular rule is on the books in the first place, simply ask yourself, "What would Alabama or Auburn do if that rule did not exist?" think of what college sports would be like without that rule, and think of the most hare-brained, chicken-fried good old boy scheme that you can dream up. These byzantine rules are there because somebody out there has tried so crazy and unscrupulous that tbe only way to try to put an end to it is with a rule tha is just as crazy.
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Your first point doesn't jive with me at all honestly. If these players are merely "fry cooks" then why are they allowed to play in a game that'll generate millions for both OSU and the BCS? Money. They know damn well how much these kids are worth on the field and off the field. You think McDonalds wouldn't fire a mere fry cook without blinking for something like this?

Your second cook is something I agree with. What stops an Auburn or Alabama booster from paying 200,000 grand (heh) for Cam Newton's SEC Championship ring or what stops them from luring a player on promises of $1000 handshakes for their jerseys?
 
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Tlangs;1839903; said:
I'm not familiar with the AJ Green story. So am I to beleive that AJ Green knocked on the Athletic Directors door and said, "I think I did something wrong and sold my Jersey". Or were there internet reports, tv stories, and news articles that said something is wrong in Athens which started an investigation, then came clean.

Unless AJ knocked on the door and brought it up himself with no external pressure, he should have gotten the extra game for not coming clean.
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Actually, thats exactly what happened.
UGA was going to auction Bowl Game apparel for charity. AJ's jersey was missing and when they asked him about it, he admitted to selling it to someone that approached him and offered him money.

Georgia turned him in and held him out of the first game against LA Monroe so they wouldn't have to forfeit for playing an ineligible player.

The NCAA counted the game UGA held him out as "Time already served" and suspended him the next three games for self reported violation.

Nobody knew what was going on until he was standing on the sideline in jersey and sweatpants and not dressed out in Game #1
 
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greyscarlet;1839925; said:
Definetely opens the door to Boosters, can you imagine what the SEC players (or parents there of) could make off their rings?
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I think Fred Gibson made 2800 bucks when he sold his Sugar Bowl ring in the summer prior to the 2003 season. That one hurt the most because it was our first SEC title in 20 years :(
 
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Nut and bolts .. You got screwed.

The comments in this board are outstanding and speak to the brilliant fans of Buckeye football:

1. Yes, the kids should be forced to sit out the bowl game and then have a discussion with the NCAA on the number of games suspended in 2011. The way these penalties are set the kids will leave for the NFL which seems counter intuitive.

2. The enforcement practices by the NCAA is beyond understanding. Yes, Auburn's true penalties are still to come, and as a graduate of the U of O I am glad that Cam Newton will be playing (I do not want any excuses when the Ducks win the game) - but he shouldn't be. Anyone reading the NCAA or SEC rules know they were violated and the enforcement should be immediate.

3. It is clear the NCAA has a double standard. No money for players but penalties will be delayed until it does not hurt the piggy bank of the NCAA. It does not take a masters degree for kids to figure out that we have a "do as I say, not as I do" policy.

You are outstanding fans of an athletic program with a tradition of excellence and deserve better than what the NCAA is shoveling.

Best of luck against the Razorbacks!
 
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BigWoof31;1839962; said:
Actually, thats exactly what happened.
UGA was going to auction Bowl Game apparel for charity. AJ's jersey was missing and when they asked him about it, he admitted to selling it to someone that approached him and offered him money.

Georgia turned him in and held him out of the first game against LA Monroe so they wouldn't have to forfeit for playing an ineligible player.

The NCAA counted the game UGA held him out as "Time already served" and suspended him the next three games for self reported violation.

Nobody knew what was going on until he was standing on the sideline in jersey and sweatpants and not dressed out in Game #1
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As I said, I am not famialiar with that story. It seems like AJ Green got royally plungered. Sells an item, finds out that it was against the rule, comes clean and still gets the max penalty. If I'm a student athlete and see this happen, I am not coming forward. What is the incentive to come forward other than your integrity. When I was 18, I could give two squirts of piss about my integrity. He should have gotten the time served penalty since Georgia was up front with the issue and been available for their second game. Kinda, no harm no foul. Pay the money back and you're good to go.
 
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Gatorubet;1839814; said:
They served the same punishment.

The difference is that Green's suspension started immediately. Your guys can play in the bowl game. Granted, Green's issue was discovered right before the season started, and not in late December.

Your guys got one more game because they continued to hide what they had done from your compliance people after they (the players involved) learned - for sure learned - that what they had done was prohibited.

Mark May is an idiot, and what he says may not be accurate, but the Green case is not a good example of why tOSU got treated unfairly. The real value of the A.J. Green case is that after the ruling came down suspending the star receiver, EVERYBODY knew that it was improper to sell your stuff and that it would lead to a suspension.

Your guys kept mum. That is why they got the extra game suspension.
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Just to clarify - the extra game was for keeping mum after the compliance folks clearly covered the issue with the team in November, 2009. It's not really for keeping mum after A.J. Green got nailed in a case similar to this one.

I realize you weren't exactly saying that, but it could have been incorrectly inferred by some people reading the last 2 paragraphs.
 
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LordJeffBuck;1839934; said:
Terrelle Pryor is a world class athlete in two sports ... you are not. Pryor probably has about 8,000 awards, trophies, medals, recognitions, and various other accolades, so what's one more Big Ten championship ring, more or less? Just another item for the overstuffed trophy case.




See above. If the rule did not exist, then the Auburns and Alabamas of the world would load these kids up with so many "possessions" that it would be tantamount to paying them cash.
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Well, I think they should be paid in cash, over the table and officially, but that's just me. By any definition, these guys are adults working a job. They are just grossly undercompensated.
 
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