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5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

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woofermazing;1839818; said:
He's still pissed about that merciless beatdown we gave his alma matter. You can see it in his eyes, he fills with hatred at the mention of ohio state.
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Someone should tell that story in Night Before Christmas style.

Reminds me of some excellent journalishism by BP's own BKB, circa 2004:

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May played for Sherrill, and Sherill is a long time known cheater. May Cheats. Proof?


In '79, Sherrill was the unwitting subject of one of the great quotes from Paterno. At one of his off-the-record cocktail parties with newspaper types, a reporter asked Paterno whether he would ever consider giving up coaching to enter politics.

Paterno replied: "What ... and leave college coaching to the [Barry] Switzers and Sherrills?"

The quote never was meant to leave the room. But The New York Times printed it, and it was reprinted in Pittsburgh and Philadelphia and across the country after that.

The remark implied cheating and improprieties at Pitt and Oklahoma. Paterno apologized to Switzer, the former coach of the Sooners, but he never apologized to Sherrill.

On Monday, Sherrill said Paterno doesn't have to apologize.

"I would never ask him to apologize," Sherrill said. "That's not an issue. That has no bearing on my feelings for Joe. A lot of things were said. That was said at an off-the-record thing at his house.

"I've never had a hatchet [to bury]. When two people compete, things happen. There's a big difference when you're talking about things later in life. There's never been a question about respect from either of us." Sherrill left Pitt after the 1981 season for a lucrative contract at Texas A&M. He coached the Aggies until '88, when he was forced out after the NCAA handed down sanctions. He landed at Mississippi State, which recently was put on probation for a second time for NCAA violations that occurred under Sherrill's watch.
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You want more? Mr. Such and Such from something something dot com writes,

Field investigators have been crawling all over Starkville for a week now. No one is exactly sure what they are looking for or what they might have found so far but one thing is for certain: They won't stop looking until they find something. Jackie Sherrill has left behind a regulatory nightmare at every college where he has coached. Just ask Pitt and Texas A&M. Infractions team members know that and even they are aware of the fact that the only way that Mississippi State could have the success that they have seen recently in the SEC would be by cheating to the fullest extent.
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I friggin promise you, May was paid to play. Big Ol #76 loves to take the high road on his ESPIN broadcasts, even calling for Coaches and AD's heads...But all this rehtoric is merely an attempt for his feeble coping skills to overcompensate for his own past.

Professional Psychologist John McShrink said, "Yeah, in my analysis this May fella is either desperately in need of medication and new coping skills or he has an especially small penis. Psychologically speaking, those are really the only two reasons someone acts that way so consistently. I'd like to know what kind of car he drives. You know what they say, the bigger the car...."

While there is no direct link that May ever took any money or things while winning the Outland in 1980, lets be clear about one thing. We are talking about Pitt football. Pitt. If they didn't cheat, how could they have EVER won a game. Competing for talent against Penn State, Ohio State and Michigan is impossible unless you're paying. I mean come on. Pitt? Have you been there? The steel city is good for a lot of things, but college aint one of them. Make no mistake Pitt was on the map because Sherrill was a ramblin gamblin man, and he got away with it - mostly.

Expect more from May, as the story about Ohio State grows. In the winter of 1976 while being recruited, May asked former Ohio State coach Woody Hayes to match Jackie Sherrill's offer of $1,000 dollars and unlimterd access to hookers. Hayes told the kid, reportedly, to "Get the hell out of my office, you dumb son of a bitch." This left a poor taste in May's mouth, forming a thirst for ripping on OSU football that cannot be quenched.

"I'm telling you, the guy is a - psychologically speaking - is a trainwreck." McShrink said.

-BKB is a staff reporter for itsnobullshit. Expect more reports as this important story develops.
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For me a fun part of Saturday is seeing Holtz win one of those stupid mock trial rulings - usually by making May look even dumber than he is - and seeing May storm around the stage pissed off like a two year old.

I think ESPN gave him the old Howard Cossell spot, the idiot with the big mouth we all hate, because every time Howard was on, the ratings when up from people who hated him topping to listen to what he has to say.
 
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Magua;1839324; said:
I'm kind of on the fence about this issue. IF (and it's a very BIG IF) some of these players did sell the memoribilia they helped our program earn to help their families, then I can't really sit here in my perfect world and bash them. I am fortunate enough to come from a family that never had to struggle to pay bills or make payments or buy groceries. However, I love my family enough to the point where if I had valuable items that others wanted to pay me 1-2k for and my mom was about to get her electricity shut off - I wouldn't think twice about selling a ring/charm to keep her heat/electrcitiy/water/etc on. However, by doing so I knowingly take the risk of getting caught and in trouble and would fully admit and accept the punishment like a man - while telling the NCAA to go fuck themselves politely.

After all that, do I honestly believe some of these young men sold these items to help their families and not themselves? No. But I won't go off and verbally abuse them because I do not know the facts and individual situations these young men are in.
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GPA. seriously. GPA!
 
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Pretty fucking disappointed in these guys. How can that stuff have monetary value to them? I don't get it. Guess I was just raised differently. Personal accolades (awards, especially) are things that I wouldn't sell. If your parents are struggling, making 80+ teammates and coaches pay for it is not the right way to go about fixing it imo..

As much as I hate to say it, they shouldn't play a down in the Sugar Bowl.
 
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KingLeon;1839275; said:
We have a young QB in Braxton Miller who is VERY GOOD and is supposedly a great leader.
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No we don't....he's not even here yet. He may be a great leader at the high school level, but he'll have to earn respect here once he sets foot on campus.
 
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Two things...

I could do without the "it's not fair because of how much money they generate for the university" argument. I don't root for the players, I root for the laundry - just like I don't go to McDonald's for the fry cook. McDonald's and bigtime college football quite similar in these basic respects - they both generate billions in revenue off the efforts of 'workers' who get relatively compensation in return. And you know what? It's justifiable. In five years time both your typical McDonald's restaurant and your typical college football program will have turned over almost their entire staff, and not a damn thing changes in terms of how much revenue either one will generate.

Also, for the people concerning themselves with the triviality of many of the NCAA's rules, think of it this way: Almost every dumb rule has a reason. If you want to know why any particular rule is on the books in the first place, simply ask yourself, "What would Alabama or Auburn do if that rule did not exist?" think of what college sports would be like without that rule, and think of the most hare-brained, chicken-fried good old boy scheme that you can dream up. These byzantine rules are there because somebody out there has tried so crazy and unscrupulous that tbe only way to try to put an end to it is with a rule tha is just as crazy.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;1839837; said:
No we don't....he's not even here yet. He may be a great leader at the high school level, but he'll have to earn respect here once he sets foot on campus.
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Very true. Hopefully he gets right into pace, but if he has a few missteps, I'm sure Tressel will get him back on the right track.
 
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jlb1705;1839839; said:
I could do without the "it's not fair because of how much money they generate for the university" argument. I don't root for the players, I root for the laundry - just like I don't go to McDonald's for the fry cook. McDonald's and bigtime college football quite similar in these basic respects - they both generate billions in revenue off the efforts of 'workers' who get relatively compensation in return. And you know what? It's justifiable. In five years time both your typical McDonald's restaurant and your typical college football program will have turned over almost their entire staff, and not a damn thing changes in terms of how much revenue either one will generate.
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you only maintain those high revenues if you are able to replace a quality staff with another quality group, which in this case is the players (but also includes the coaches if you want to be complete on the subject). this university has been fortunate to be able to recruit the players to play at a high level year in and year out and keep tOSU at the top, which helps bring in more money for the university. many other schools have not been able to. i would love to see if penn state brought in the same amount of money this year then they did when they went to the rose bowl not so long ago with a different group of players.

and i would probably stay away from using workers at fast food restaurants making minimum wage as an example of proper compensation. the minimum wage in this country is a joke when one considers the rising cost of nearly everything in the last 20 years and the trends of worker wages in comparison to owners.
 
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pharaz1;1839851; said:
you only maintain those high revenues if you are able to replace a quality staff with another quality group, which in this case is the players (but also includes the coaches if you want to be complete on the subject). this university has been fortunate to be able to recruit the players to play at a high level year in and year out and keep tOSU at the top, which helps bring in more money for the university. many other schools have not been able to. i would love to see if penn state brought in the same amount of money this year then they did when they went to the rose bowl not so long ago with a different group of players.

and i would probably stay away from using workers at fast food restaurants making minimum wage as an example of proper compensation. the minimum wage in this country is a joke when one considers the rising cost of nearly everything in the last 20 years and the trends of worker wages in comparison to owners.
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It's just not a good analogy. Terrelle Pryor is not a fry cook. He's at least middle management. If a middle manager at McDonalds was making minimum wage, people would be like, wait, what? That doesn't seem fair. And then if that grown man was punished for selling a service award...
 
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c-rowbuckeye;1839765; said:
...I see #1 jerseys all the time for $70+, and Boom won't ever see a cent of that. It was his jersey and he should do what he wants with it...I find it very hypocritical that TP calls out Herbie for being a "fake Buckeye" then goes and sells essentially what it means to be a Buckeye.
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I think that the point is made even more finely when you consider that Pryor called Herbie a "fake Buckeye" after this stuff took place.

Another viewpoint would be that the number does not belong to Herron. It has not been retired in his honor. In fact, he's not even the only guy on the team that wears it.
 
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