5 players suspended for 5 games in 2011 regular season (Appeal has been denied)

[ORD_Buckeye]

I've said this to other people but I'll also add that it's a little strange that we're quick to tear these players down yet we forget about a QB with a troubled past who knowingly took $500 from a booster. What happened to him? He went on to win the Heisman trophy, led us to an NC appearance, and went 3-0 against Michigan.

More importantly, in my opinion, he went on to graduate, enroll in a master's program, turn his life around and represent the university admirably. Someone else who--also in my opinion--received too light of a punishment did none of those things and continued to embarrass himself after leaving Ohio State. The best thing that the university could have done in the case of Troy Smith was give him that second chance. The best thing they could have done in the other case was kick him out of the program.

It's not an enviable position that JT is in. I wish him the wisdom to do the right thing regarding these five. That being said, time will tell whether a second chance will be worth the risk or the university is better cutting ties now. It's not a simple black and white decision in either direction.

While some players embody everything we wish in a "buckeye" others unfortunately do not. When I was at Ohio State everybody knew football players that were among the best students in the university. We also knew others who were simply bad, bad guys (I could name names but I won't) and had no business being on a university campus. Hell, a friend had one of the latter for a roommate in the dorms. As much as for winning games, I consider the coaching staff responsible for weeding out the latter group before they can cause too much damage--to the program and equally importantly to the students who they are brought into contact with.

 

[DEBuckeye]

I'm sure that this has been said in one way or another already, but it kind of bugs me that the guys were selling their B10 rings and gold pants (for God's sake!!) to get some quick cash while still in school.

Maybe I'm too old school traditional, and I know it's easy for me to say this when I wasn't in their situation while in school, but to me that's really a slap in the face to what being at OSU and winning football games is all about. Especially the gold pants for beating the weasels.

I don't know.... Like I said, it's easy for me to say that given that I was never in that situation. Just bugs me....

 

[Bestbuck36]

Two major things about this whole thing are really bothering me.

1. Why not get a student loan for 3 to 5 times more than they received for their memorabilia?

I started back to school this year at 37. I was not able to get any grants of free funds through scholarship, hardship etc. Still, I was offered over 9500 for Fall and Spring semester's at a smaller school as a freshman (no transfer credits yet arrived). I'm sure they could have gotten more by going to financial aid.

2. They sold their OSU history for pennies. The gold pants, the rings, the jersey's........ unfathomable. I get it you have 4 or so of each, but when you are 18-20 years old your sense of what things are really worth, is terrible. They'll all regret this one day if not already.

Suspend them for the bowl game. Fight the Razorbacks with the kids who've done what was expected of them.

 

[Nicknam4]

I feel like the 5 players won't play well because of all this anyway, and if they are not suspended it just makes it that much worse for everyone else.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

I really have no idea what you are talking about with reasonable help in reasonable ways for the student... Getting a job? Taking out student loans to pay for things which are not student related? Dropping out to work full-time?

all the students are supposed to have a fasfa filled, so sure. their are also means provided to students (and athletes)

You question my logic. My moral/ethical logic was stated as: it would be prudent to sell whatever we own that is a luxury item (i.e. the things we have that we do no need) in order to help family. I sincerely hope you do not disagree with that statement.

at least three of the players have received discounted services for tattoos. then again another one of them drives around in new camaro. year money must be tough for that kid. toss in the $1,000 stipend the kids get. their are ways/means. you can ethically/morally justify breaking a law/bylaw/regulation. just dont try it in the real world, it ends up in jail time/civil penalties...

You state that I made an excuse... where did I do that?

your entire post...

I also state that all of this, everything, is speculation. However, if this was the case then their violations are not diminishing to Ohio State's integrity. Integrity is NOT defined by how many NCAA violations one has or does not have.

yeah i really look up to miami of the late 80s and early 90s. or the wild pony smu teams, or the fab five... this is a joke, right?

Please tell me where I have failed here. And if you have read anything I've written on this thread, I would hope you don't think I'm justifying what they did with a blanket statement. They should be punished for rule violations. Suspensions between 1-4 games would be appropriate and starting with the Sugar Bowl. But NCAA violations for selling things of which are your property is not necessarily a knock on "integrity".

the standard is what they got, 4 games. they got another game for lying. just the reality.

the rules are what they are. to say they did not know if laughable, at best...

 

[Gatorubet]

Nobody said anything about Tebow being here.

Tebow would have had his teammates donate all of the items to charity, and used his own money and time to sew a coat of Filipino foreskins for Mel Kiper.

 

[NFBuck]

A top notch education that they will never use, let alone study for.....all the while the U passes them with the understanding they win football games. Sand isnt part of your world, so take your head out of it.

You're claiming these kids have done nothing wrong and I'm the one with my head in the sand? Um, okay.

If you believe this, you're part of the problem.

Exactly.

 

[sparcboxbuck]

Duane Long going off....

http://bucknuts.com/index.php/component/option,com_idoblog/Itemid,1347/id,11641/task,viewpost/

DL with a 25 point BP infraction! Hey Duane... those don't ever go away. I've got one to prove it.

 

[Diego-Bucks]

all the students are supposed to have a fasfa filled, so sure. their are also means provided to students (and athletes)


at least three of the players have received discounted services for tattoos. then again another one of them drives around in new camaro. year money must be tough for that kid. toss in the $1,000 stipend the kids get. their are ways/means. you can ethically/morally justify breaking a law/bylaw/regulation. just dont try it in the real world, it ends up in jail time/civil penalties...


your entire post...



yeah i really look up to miami of the late 80s and early 90s. or the wild pony smu teams, or the fab five... this is a joke, right?

Truly, I don't know their specifics. Obviously you do, or at least you know more than I. I am defeated.

I think you are reading what you want out of my posts. You equate integrity to NCAA rule infractions. I am saying its all a matter of specific cases. This is a matter of selling property in my eyes. There were rules against it, they violated them, but I'm not going to look at any of these players any differently than I did yesterday. They are still Buckeyes to me, and I hope they are getting some sort of lesson out of this (other than how baffling the NCAA is).

I am not excusing their behavior with a blanket statement. I am counter-arguing a point made about integrity. Never said they knew or didn't know about the rules they were violating. Again, I think you are reading more in my post than I have actually written. If you think I'm an apologist for their actions, then you are wrong.

 

[k2onprimetime]

Mark may pisses me the fuck off. Saying o if this was a SEC player he would have more harsh punishment, hello Cam Newton????????????? He said something that the ncaa protects the Pac-10 and the big ten. I think the way the NCAA came down on USC and OSU is worse than anything that ever happened to someone in the SEC

 

[Steve19]

A top notch education that they will never use, let alone study for.....all the while the U passes them with the understanding they win football games. Sand isnt part of your world, so take your head out of it.

I stand with NFBuck and matcar. Just off the top of my head, I'm willing to bet that Tom Skladany used what we learned in the Fisher College of Business in his printing business. Ray Griffin also used his experiences in those same classrooms.

Most of the kids who play for Ohio State will end their sports careers there. Those who go on will have received excellent development, use of the best sports facilities, and lifelong skills to draw on. They will have had the opportunity to get a degree in any field of their choice absolutely free, while having their living expenses paid.

That's not free.

 

[swopes6]

Well this sucks... I think 5 games is a little much though. They're missing the Miami and Michigan state game which will be big games imo. But I have full confidence that tOSU will bounce back. GO BUCKS!

 

[BuckFan38]

I am shocked. Didnt read the forums, had no idea this was even comming...

Am i crazy for just assuming that the coaches would have told the entire team at some point every year that they werent allowed to accept benefits?

I just cant believe our guys actually sold their rings and jerseys. They potientially just cost themselves millions of NFL dollars due to losing 5 games of exposure...all for a couple of thousand. That's IF they decide to come back and lose half of next season...

As for the punishment i honestly would prefer they face it now and not play in the bowl, then miss just the first game next year. Instead of them getting to showcase their talent for the NFL in the bowl, and bail out on us. Individual awards would be shot for them next year anyway...Hard to blame them for leaving...This is horrible.

 

[Nicknam4]

Mark may pisses me the fuck off. Saying o if this was a SEC player he would have more harsh punishment, hello Cam Newton????????????? He said something that the ncaa protects the Pac-10 and the big ten. I think the way the NCAA came down on USC and OSU is worse than anything that ever happened to someone in the SEC

Somebody needs to youtube that, I missed it.

 

[billmac91]

Terrelle Pryor's tweet last night makes me laugh..."I paid for my tatoos. GoBucks"

Yes, you did pay for your tattoos, with money you made from selling gold pants and championship rings.

Awesome dude.