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Bestbuck36 said:
Motioning the TE into the line almost always equals failed run attempt for us. The Defense crashes down and eats us alive. Now maybe, if Fahey pulls that and RPOs with JJ out there we might have something. Watch on that play how wide open the field was if he pulls that ball.
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If Fahey pulls & rips that one of 3 things will happen.

Jeremiah goes full megatron
Jeremiah gets hung out to dry
INT

By the numbers, you hand the ball off. I'll give the endzone view later, but it's poor execution along the OL that sunk this give.

Edit: if you integrate an alert and the EMOL reduces, you can turn this into a de-facto triple option. But that's a lot of decision making in a very short amount of time. RPOs tend to isolate 1 defender and key off that 1.
 
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Buckeneye said:
I'll give the endzone view later, but it's poor execution along the OL that sunk this give.
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Pay close attention to the circles


- Hits like split zone
- loss to the 1tech
- We get gallop + the TE on the 5t Not how that should be executed
- Weakside 4t crashes so hard down the line he all but ends up in the 2 hole


The numbers were right. The OL still struggles to execute at the highest levels vs the best Dlines. Execution is on them, call structure is on the coaches throughout the game.

 
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ochre said:
clearly they thought 97 was a Bosa and they better put at least 3 guys on him?
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They have been tested against good defensive lines and Indiana clearly had some big guys. Things may change as the season progresses, but I shudder to think what happens against a Kentucky line if that draw comes up. Cignetti made the point pre-game...How do you stop the Buckeye passing attack? Hit the QB before he has a chance to pass the ball. I think Ohio State has focused everyone on that solution and it remains to be seen whether the offensive line going forward will be able to play at that level (e.g., Siereveld out). So far, there remain questions in the red zone for the run, no?
 
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Good stuff above. Am a bit of an oldie, so reading that "JJ becomes a megatron", believe that Woody got it right, only different circumstances, when he said, "with a pass, three things can happen, and two of them are bad" (my memory of his quote". The old guy was right, many years after his passing.....
 
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heisman said:
If you look around college football, there are just ZERO excuses to skip a beat with an inexperienced backup QB, no matter the competition. I'll happily run off the names, but you can start with Florida, UCLA, Tennessee, and tCun.
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I'm not certain which of these performances would be satisfactory for our fans, but I suspect zero, particularly if the run game stays the same (there's a semi delusional but possible scenario where the running game improves with the shift in scheme for Fahey)

Not one of these is capable of winning a playoff semifinal. They're fine for one off scrappy mid season contests but OSU fans do not accept Iowa results for the season.

Florida's QB threw 35 passes for 155 yds (4.4 per) with 2 tds and 0 ints. That's likely the best performance in this list. A whole lot of underneath stuff there. The Florida defense also humiliated arch all game who is probably headed to the bench at last.

Tennessee's QB just threw 31 times for 197 yds 0 td 1 int. In a dominant win, because the RB ran it 32 times for 159 yds 2 tds. With a ferocious defense that ate up bama.

Ucla's backup was a little better with 33 passes for 264 0 td 1 int. The defense remained stifling. Ironically it was the first time their superstar rb wasn't dominant all season. I didn't watch it but I imagine they sold out to stop him.

Carr completed a couple of passes. He mostly was JJ McCarthy under harbaugh, where he handed it off, ran the ball and completed a very limited number of passes. The running game went wild against the hilariously bad PSU rushing attack. He did the things Bryce does, he just didn't pull a Bryce/JJ and throw howitzers on the underneath passes.

The Michigan defense and running game massively dwarfed the efforts of the QB.



Does OSU have the defense to repeat some of these things? In some places. They need wilder to be on the field bc they do not pressure the QB.

Does OSU have a competent rushing attack? Rarely. Hopefully that changes with the shift in scheme, although it relies on an undersized true freshman not getting broken, including an OL that will routinely have big breakdowns and shots on the passer.

Most backups face the problem of selling out to stop the running game and seeing if the QB can beat you. Do teams actually need to do that against this running game?

There's no one close to Wayne Knight or Jaden Baugh right now. The room is not close to Marshall/Hiter either.
 
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jwinslow said:
I'm not certain which of these performances would be satisfactory for our fans, but I suspect zero, particularly if the run game stays the same (there's a semi delusional but possible scenario where the running game improves with the shift in scheme for Fahey)

Not one of these is capable of winning a playoff semifinal. They're fine for one off scrappy mid season contests but OSU fans do not accept Iowa results for the season.

Florida's QB threw 35 passes for 155 yds (4.4 per) with 2 tds and 0 ints. That's likely the best performance in this list. A whole lot of underneath stuff there. The Florida defense also humiliated arch all game who is probably headed to the bench at last.

Tennessee's QB just threw 31 times for 197 yds 0 td 1 int. In a dominant win, because the RB ran it 32 times for 159 yds 2 tds. With a ferocious defense that ate up bama.

Ucla's backup was a little better with 33 passes for 264 0 td 1 int. The defense remained stifling. Ironically it was the first time their superstar rb wasn't dominant all season. I didn't watch it but I imagine they sold out to stop him.

Carr completed a couple of passes. He mostly was JJ McCarthy under harbaugh, where he handed it off, ran the ball and completed a very limited number of passes. The running game went wild against the hilariously bad PSU rushing attack. He did the things Bryce does, he just didn't pull a Bryce/JJ and throw howitzers on the underneath passes.

The Michigan defense and running game massively dwarfed the efforts of the QB.



Does OSU have the defense to repeat some of these things? In some places. They need wilder to be on the field bc they do not pressure the QB.

Does OSU have a competent rushing attack? Rarely. Hopefully that changes with the shift in scheme, although it relies on an undersized true freshman not getting broken, including an OL that will routinely have big breakdowns and shots on the passer.

Most backups face the problem of selling out to stop the running game and seeing if the QB can beat you. Do teams actually need to do that against this running game?

There's no one close to Wayne Knight or Jaden Baugh right now. The room is not close to Marshall/Hiter either.
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I took this for granted but totally agree- this team needed an experienced Sayin to improve to be a threat to win the NC through a playoff run. We needed the most important position on the field to get better so he could maximize the generational talent advantage 4 gives us and minimize the deficient OL, running game and breaking in a new defense.

Defense has improved more than we thought but still has lead protecting issues. OL and RB are who we thought they were, to use the phrase, not championship caliber.

So in my mind at least, as soon as you lost Sayin for the year (or even if we didn't, as soon as you saw he hasn't improved) then our NC hopes are pretty much gone.

I'm personally thinking we can still 1) win The Game and 2) make a run at a B1G CG appearance.

If we get a massive surprise at QB then great, maybe more but realistically? The competitive portion of our season ends in late November. The rest of the team isn't good enough to carry a true freshman QB imo. The hope this season was that their weakness could be covered over by a lethal passing attack.
 
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Pocket presence is such a rare attribute. It let a very mediocre athlete named Tom Brady become the goat.

I think Julian got mentally dinged either in this contest or possibly the late hit vs Iowa. But where things unraveled for the most precise passer in OSU history is his pocket presence. He started panicking and scrambling into traffic, and at times where he assumes his woeful OL would fail (but they actually did not). Examples were the first sack where he bailed left (with two OL over there to keep the rusher away without that mistake) and the screen pass where Ryan/Arthur were flabbergasted in the background.

Luke cannot replace Julian's skills or accuracy. It is too much to ask, but it will be interesting to see how he manages the chaos. He cannot sit in a clean platforms and rip elite throws all game.

Unlike Julian, he can pull the ball down and run a little. As a constraint but not a feature.

Braxton Miller is the most laterally gifted athlete in the history of OSU. It took JT Barrett a very short time to overtake him as a rushing threat despite being 1/4 the athlete because his feel of the option and pocket were drastically superior. The same flaw existed with Denard Robinson.

Both Braxton and Denard were other worldly from an explosiveness standpoint, but could not feel the pocket at a backup QB level. They just happened to be so athletic that it didn't matter a lot of the time.


Where will Fahey fall? They will certainly move him.

Will that free up guys like Henry, the tight ends, scramble drill brilliance from athletic and crafty guys like Boyd?

Does it open up creative ways to get Bey the ball before he's ready to do all of the actual RB things?
 
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jwinslow said:
I'm not certain which of these performances would be satisfactory for our fans, but I suspect zero, particularly if the run game stays the same (there's a semi delusional but possible scenario where the running game improves with the shift in scheme for Fahey)

Not one of these is capable of winning a playoff semifinal. They're fine for one off scrappy mid season contests but OSU fans do not accept Iowa results for the season.

Florida's QB threw 35 passes for 155 yds (4.4 per) with 2 tds and 0 ints. That's likely the best performance in this list. A whole lot of underneath stuff there. The Florida defense also humiliated arch all game who is probably headed to the bench at last.

Tennessee's QB just threw 31 times for 197 yds 0 td 1 int. In a dominant win, because the RB ran it 32 times for 159 yds 2 tds. With a ferocious defense that ate up bama.

Ucla's backup was a little better with 33 passes for 264 0 td 1 int. The defense remained stifling. Ironically it was the first time their superstar rb wasn't dominant all season. I didn't watch it but I imagine they sold out to stop him.

Carr completed a couple of passes. He mostly was JJ McCarthy under harbaugh, where he handed it off, ran the ball and completed a very limited number of passes. The running game went wild against the hilariously bad PSU rushing attack. He did the things Bryce does, he just didn't pull a Bryce/JJ and throw howitzers on the underneath passes.

The Michigan defense and running game massively dwarfed the efforts of the QB.



Does OSU have the defense to repeat some of these things? In some places. They need wilder to be on the field bc they do not pressure the QB.

Does OSU have a competent rushing attack? Rarely. Hopefully that changes with the shift in scheme, although it relies on an undersized true freshman not getting broken, including an OL that will routinely have big breakdowns and shots on the passer.

Most backups face the problem of selling out to stop the running game and seeing if the QB can beat you. Do teams actually need to do that against this running game?

There's no one close to Wayne Knight or Jaden Baugh right now. The room is not close to Marshall/Hiter either.
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The post was specifically addressing that other teams are surviving similar situations with positive results (winning in tough environments). I mean, if we are really getting into this, if I would have shown you Sayin's stats vs. IU, you would have thought we lost by double digits. I just don't want to hear any excuses if Fahey looks like he did vs. IU. That was a coaching embarrassment of epic proportions.
 
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heisman said:
The post was specifically addressing that other teams are surviving similar situations with positive results (winning in tough environments). I mean, if we are really getting into this, if I would have shown you Sayin's stats vs. IU, you would have thought we lost by double digits. I just don't want to hear any excuses if Fahey looks like he did vs. IU. That was a coaching embarrassment of epic proportions.
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The comparable examples for those exact QBs

Tennessee backup QB George McIntyre being thrust into the game vs Texas, and going 1/3 for 6 yds.

He was inserted in the 2nd quarter up 10-3, and was put back on the bench because he wasn't ready

Like Fahey, he looked good in mop up duty, and lost when he was suddenly playing against a top defense


also similar, fla backup QB Jones coming in against SCar, his first real action. Ignoring the mop up proficiency vs mizzou.

The result?
Throwing an incompletion leading to a punt
Then next drive completing 3 passes before an INT
He finished 6/8 for 40 yds and a pick

One almost identical to Fahey. Another better but hardly good.

Carr was better than Fahey. He's also been inches from starting since spring.

With time to prepare the week (or two) before, I highly like Luke's chances of clearing the low bar set by most of these backup QBs.
 
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