2026 tOSU Offense Discussion

[Jaxbuck]

Not if you aren’t going to score on yours. Ran into this both games back to back that ended the season.

You better score or you’re going to lose. If you aren’t going to be efficient with your possessions you’d better have more of them.

We went into each game with the better team. You aren’t going to change your approach pre game. The process would have worked with better execution.

That is what started this complete waste of my time. You have to execute.

The reason we lost wasn’t the fucking approach. It was a lack of execution.You are continuing to conflate the results you didn’t like with the approach.

 

[Captain Buckeye]

We went into each game with the better team. You aren’t going to change your approach pre game. The process would have worked with better execution.

That is what started this complete waste of my time. You have to execute.

The reason we lost wasn’t the fucking approach. It was a lack of execution.You are continuing to conflate the results you didn’t like with the approach.

I had a coach like you once lol… it was never the scheme or the play call. It was always just a lack of execution. I always took that like he was blaming the players. Maybe the lack of execution or efficiency is because we do the same things? Maybe we could stand to be more explosive and have different speeds? I shouldn’t even say Maybe because it’s more that I know it would help.

Any rate, I don’t mean to bother but I’m going to settle in the middle.

Yes we need to execute but we absolutely need to be more explosive and work in some different speeds. We have to be able to do it all. You can’t just do the same thing because if you need to be explosive or faster tempo then it’s something you’re not comfortable doing.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If Team A kicks off in the first half, and Team B kicks off the second, how does 1 team get 2 more possessions? Even a fumbled kickoff is a possession. An onside kick can steal a possession, but that’s really it.

Sorry, but I’m failing to see how Indiana has 12 possession to tOSU ‘s 10 (or 10 vs. 8), but if they speed up each team gets 12 possessions.

Come on.

You’ve never seen a team steal a possession at the half? By holding the ball and running out the clock at the end of the game?

You can’t get more than 1-2 edge but you can absolutely choke away the opportunities for the opponent with an efficient offense.

That said, it’s more of a per play edge that does it but given the trainwreck this has turned into I’m trying to keep it as simple as I can.

 

[Jaxbuck]

I had a coach like you once lol… it was never the scheme or the play call. It was just a lack of execution.

Any rate, I don’t mean to bother but I’m going to settle in the middle.

Yes we need to execute but we absolutely need to be more explosive and work in some different speeds. We have to be able to do it all. You can’t just do the same thing because if you need to be explosive or faster tempo then it’s something you’re not comfortable doing.

You can settle wherever you want to.

 

[BB73]

Come on.

You’ve never seen a team steal a possession at the half? By holding the ball and running out the clock at the end of the game?

You can’t get more than 1-2 edge but you can absolutely choke away the opportunities for the opponent with an efficient offense.

That said, it’s more of a per play edge that does it but given the trainwreck this has turned into I’m trying to keep it as simple as I can.

If you get the ball first and end the half with the ball, you get +1 in that half.

But in the other half the other team gets the ball first and the best you can do it make the number even (barring an onside kick).

So I just don’t see the 2-possession difference,

 

[Captain Buckeye]

Come on.

You’ve never seen a team steal a possession at the half? By holding the ball and running out the clock at the end of the game?

You can’t get more than 1-2 edge but you can absolutely choke away the opportunities for the opponent with an efficient offense.

That said, it’s more of a per play edge that does it but given the trainwreck this has turned into I’m trying to keep it as simple as I can.

We got 9 months man let’s keep this train wreck going!

 

[Captain Buckeye]

More discussion on the pace of play around the 20 minute mark.

 

[gmen6981]

We got 9 months man let’s keep this train wreck going!

There's the ol' BP spirit!

 

[Captain Buckeye]

An underrated reasoning for picking up the pace a bit that I heard from Bill Landis (who seems to be in lockstep with how I see it)… with a big reduction in reps our guys could use these reps for development. That without the extra reps we are really doing ourselves a disservice with getting guys experience.

Anyway back to offense- what will be intriguing is what we do along the OL. I’d really like to see Austin moved back to RG and I think with Moore at LT we can do that.

 

[RuGettinIt]

An underrated reasoning for picking up the pace a bit that I heard from Bill Landis (who seems to be in lockstep with how I see it)… with a big reduction in reps our guys could use these reps for development. That without the extra reps we are really doing ourselves a disservice with getting guys experience.

Anyway back to offense- what will be intriguing is what we do along the OL. I’d really like to see Austin moved back to RG and I think with Moore at LT we can do that.

I think I’ve talked to this in multiple threads, but yes this is an issue for all units. Close games usually mean lack of time for subs to get playing time and experience. I see this as a Day issue as it has been that way since he took over as HC.

Who knows how much this impacts guys transferring as well. No one wants to constantly bust their ass in practice and stand there and watch.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

Anyway back to offense- what will be intriguing is what we do along the OL. I’d really like to see Austin moved back to RG and I think with Moore at LT we can do that.

That’s ideal, but unless they take a portal OT, they’ll need him at RT.

Carter Lowe and Justin Terry are the only other tackles on the roster and they’ll probably need another year.

 

[Jaxbuck]

If you get the ball first and end the half with the ball, you get +1 in that half.

But in the other half the other team gets the ball first and the best you can do it make the number even (barring an onside kick).

So I just don’t see the 2-possession difference,

Team A gets the opening kick, holds it for 30 minutes and scores.
Team B gets second half kick off, punts
Team A takes possession, holds end of game
Team A 2 possessions, Team B 1

(Back to the math of IU and OSU. if IU gets a 10-9 edge in possessions it projects to be 25-20, not 25-23 if both teams get 10. Margin increases by playing to take away the extra possession.)

Chop it up however you want inside of that, the ability to be +1 is clear. Then you layer in the context of gaining mor points per possession than the other team because you are more skilled.

Now, real world football, the more skilled team has the larger per possession delta and by the mid 3rd quarter, early 4th quarter the lesser team is behind and has to play very predictably. It is clear to anyone paying attention that the lesser skilled team is running out of possessions.

The increase in win % by even 1 extra possession is worth the downside to the strategy of winning by efficiency and that does not capture the increase in win % when the last 2-3 possessions of the game are do or die, have to try and go fast, pass only constrained nightmares for the opponent.

 

[1926Buckeyes]

I think I’ve talked to this in multiple threads, but yes this is an issue for all units. Close games usually mean lack of time for subs to get playing time and experience. I see this as a Day issue as it has been that way since he took over as HC.

Who knows how much this impacts guys transferring as well. No one wants to constantly bust their ass in practice and stand there and watch.

I’ve never been as worried about backup reps, especially when you’re talking about an extra 5-10 snaps a game.

They played 4 RBs, 4-5 TEs, and rotated at RG. I expected more at WR, but it’s clear they really only had 3. If they think they have depth at a position, they’ll rotate.

 

[dragurd]

I’ve never been as worried about backup reps, especially when you’re talking about an extra 5-10 snaps a game.

They played 4 RBs, 4-5 TEs, and rotated at RG. I expected more at WR, but it’s clear they really only had 3. If they think they have depth at a position, they’ll rotate.

They pretty regularly played 4 WR's Bryson rodgers seemed to get a few snaps every game

 

[Captain Buckeye]

I’ve never been as worried about backup reps, especially when you’re talking about an extra 5-10 snaps a game.

They played 4 RBs, 4-5 TEs, and rotated at RG. I expected more at WR, but it’s clear they really only had 3. If they think they have depth at a position, they’ll rotate.

They pretty regularly played 4 WR's Bryson rodgers seemed to get a few snaps every game

We rarely play depth to be honest but even when we do we don’t really play our game. Normally it’s a lot of base plays on both offense or defense.