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I’ve lost track of who is saying what so I just put the numbers up.
Day has clearly decided to slow it down. Last year no one was screaming “tempo”. This year they are
Results vs approach.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
I'm not talking about the number of plays. It is much easier to be efficient on offense when you keep the defense off balance and don't let them tee off on your QB every play. When you snap the ball with two seconds on the clock for the entire season, the defense doesn't even need to try to match the snap count. When you go early every once in a while, the D can't set up its stunts and blitzes. That pick-6 was a monstrosity. Every player on the defense 1) knew what play was called, and even worse 2) they knew when the ball would be snapped. Of course JJ missed the block. The defense already knew what was coming.
You can't just call the plays the same every time and expect your offense to "execute." There's 11 guys on the field whose job is to make sure your offense CAN'T execute. Day made it WAY too easy for Miami's defense.
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Ok so the goal posts have been moved from tempo to timing of snap count and predictable play calling.
In other words you think it’s more likely that the difference between 24 results and 25 is Day as a play caller and not the QB, OL and RB personnel differences.
that actually makes sense to you?
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OregonBuckeye
Semper Fi Buckeyes
The 24 offense was extremely underwhelming until the playoffs too. It was maddening to watch a mostly veteran offense look stuck in neutral the majority of the year. This is just going to be one of those agree to disagree arguments. I can't stand the conservative approach, especially with the new clock rules. There's a human element to the game. Constantly playing this stagnant, stale brand of offense begins to harm more than help, especially in big games.
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lvbuckeye
Silver Surfer
Snapping the ball faster than the defense can get set is what I mean by tempo.
The '24 offense would often hurry up to the line after a decently long play and snap the ball before the defense could make any substitutions or stunt/blitz calls, ESPECIALLY in the playoff. I can't recall the '25 offense doing that very often.
The '25 offense ran like a 1991 Ford Tempo: pretty reliable, but slow as balls.
The OL shouldn't have even been part of the discussion. They returned three starters and were projected to be a strength. Alas, as I've stated many times before, you can't run 5 receivers every play. But you need 5 offensive linemen every play. Ryan Day needs to find the OL version of Brian Hartline.
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Captain Buckeye
Assistant Coach
To each their own. With our talent advantages you should be aggressive.
There’s a reason lessor talented teams want to play slow and drag you into the deep waters.
I’ve readily stated it’s somewhere in the middle of uptempo and our current pace. All I know is when we faced good defenses this year it was a huge problem. Texas, Indiana and Miami had an aggressiveness our methodical offense could not match.
Keep playing slow and first off we aren’t going to attract the kids who want to play in that system. Because after all when there’s 3-4 possessions a half that’s a lot of missed reps. But second off, you’re really asking less of an opposing defense. Because again, that’s less plays a defense has to buck up for. Would you want an extra 20 snaps a game from JJ Smith? I know I sure would.
Once again I’m not saying go hurry up. I’m saying more explosiveness (less hitches and 5 yard out routes) and vary the tempo. We can protect the starters reps in a different way. Instead of having a 17-3 or 21-3 lead at halftime if you’re up 28-3 or 31-3 then there’s no need for your starters at all.
Hit teams harder earlier and later in the game is the backups. Theres no need to see Julian and JJ in the 3rd quarter in most of our games.
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Tanner
Legend
I do think they needed to play faster, especially in the 2nd half, but more than that they needed a lot more short, quick passes in that game once it became clear they couldn't protect Sayin. All the shot plays they usually take and hit weren't going to be there and it didn't seem like there was much of an adjustment to their normal offense. Instead of the deep curls they always throw to Smith, throw him a quick slant and see if he can;t get some YAC. The play before the hold on Daniels, that deep out to Tate, that play had no chance.
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MGMT
Legend
The coaching staff had weeks to review and adjust from that game to see what was happening. Then we had Purdue be disruptive. Nothing changed. Then we had IU; nothing changed.
I understand Hartline had the offense and “day omg ceo” but you mean to tell me he didn’t see that film and think to
Himself “this will absolutely cause a loss” and I quite deeply about remediation and degree of improvement? It literally got worse as the schedule ramped up.
I’m not trying to sound pessimistic or whine but the more I think about it I’m really looking at Day on this one. Maybe now that you had issues for 3 games, then lost another 2, you’ll finally do something drastic about it after it cost you your season.
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Captain Buckeye
Assistant Coach
Who cares about efficiency if you’re scoring 12 more points a game. More opportunities = more points.
I’d rather score 42 points a game over 30 per game.
The change was because the defense only needed 21 points to win. I think there’s a world where you can have both the 42 points per game and a top 5 defense. 2019 proves you can have both the #1 offense and defense at the same time.
That’s not my expectation btw. That’s nuts to expect the best of both. But 30 points a game is a pretty far drop from where those early Ryan Day teams were.
We didn’t win it all last year because of our tempo. We won because we were experienced and very talented.
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System_id
Hall of Fame
I mean 2019 didn't win a natty lol.
Personally I just think it comes down to the OL needed to be WAY better and Sayin needing more experience. If the OL isn't getting blown up as soon as the ball is snapped, maybe Sayin sees Tate and Klare. If Sayin is a year older he may have been able to get the ball out so fast the pass rush wouldn't have mattered.
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TampaBuckeyes
Assistant Coach
I feel like what Bill Landis said in their post game is exactly what I’ve been trying to say. The predictability of the pace of play hurt our offense. Going slow is fine but we went slow almost exclusively and that helped the opposing defense be efficient. Using the entire play clock gave the defense time to set up and add in that their defense had our silent count figured out to where the Miami defenders could beat our tackles out of their stance.
He even mentioned something about talking about pace of play with Day and he agreed that we can’t be predictable with it. I wish I could pull his full quote but it was a 90 minute episode and I can’t remember where it was.
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