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hmmm could be.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio...-position-much-in-second-spring-at-ohio-state
Sounds like he's learning his lesson from a year ago and adapting
2022 stunted Sawyer's growth on defense, IMO. He seemed too big, bulky and out of place too often. Let him attack QBs, get into the backfield and set the edge. He'll need to work on his hand fighting more, and add another move to his repertoire. But again, I feel like those things would've been improved upon last year if he actually played DE all season
Sounds like he's learning his lesson from a year ago and adapting
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Bro, he decimated plays last year trying to get outside him. I remember several times commenting about it and the stark contrast from the year before. In the ND game he forced several of those plays back inside where Hall was eating. This is all great news
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Problem was, there was a number of whole games where he disappeared and I forgot he was still on the team. ND was the 1st game of the season. He had 5 games during the season where he had only 1 tackle, not the line you're looking for from a former 5star DE. And I attribute that to being confused at playing Jack and DE, and never learning to be great at 1 position. Unlike JT, who was able to focus more on the DL on the edge, and not have to worry about playing like an overblown LB
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True. But, a lot of times he was the reason other guys could make plays where he didn't get the stats but would have gotten an Assist in different scoring etc.
The refocus hopefully allows us to see a full season of Spring Game JackSaw which would be a game changer
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
I think everyone is right here. It's not binary. I imagine, and at least the staff seems to think that the Jack experience wasn't the huge success we hoped for, but if you're at end, you only get the opportunities you get. You can't slide toward the other side of the field and make a tackle. Even on your side, you're often taking on blocks and setting the edge so that a LB, S, or CB can come up and make the tackle. I made a CB all-city in the late-80s and he saved my ass a lot of times. :)
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Ah, the criticisms at every level have been heard. Jack of all trades but master of...I will stop there and try to find the post I need to delete about this very topic on misusing Jack on defense. Thank god the coaches seem to be adaptive, a huge improvement over blind ignorance any day. If it plays out obviously. Go be free Jack, at your intended position.
Edit: I apparently am like hours behind on updates on my cpu. Missed a shit ton of the comments above. To not reiterate, Jack straightup at DE and play our LBs more conventionally right? With Chambers and Eich back, along with Hicks, that seems fun.
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Agreed. Compound that with barely having a whole off season to install a brand new defense and not having the players to accurately fit the Jack position. The Jack that Knowles had his last season at fakeOSU was 6'2 225(literally same size as CJ Hicks), while Sawyer is 6'4 265lbs! A massive difference. At 6'3 255lbs, Mitchell Melton, he has similar size and stature to the Jack that Knowles had at Western Mich, Jason Babin. I'm not ready to say anything about Melton, as I have yet to see him play in any capacity in college, but it sure seems like Sawyer is a better fit at a 4-3 DE.
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I guess you can squint real hard and see a reason to give Knowles some credit for making a change here but then you have to ask what in the fuck was he thinking in the first place?
3 safeties and the "Jack" position were sold as what Knowles does. Those pieces allow him to be multiple, disguise his defense and confuse the other team blah, blah, blah. Now all of a sudden he doesn't know if they need the "Jack" position? Isn't that like a 3-4 defense guru saying he isn't sure about need a dominant nose tackle?
I am happy to see him correct his fuck up from last year (misusing Jack Sawyer) but it was his fuck up. It also wasn't his only fuck up(s). Going to the B12 in search of a defensive coordinator may not have been an optimal strategy on Day's part.
3 safeties and the "Jack" position were sold as what Knowles does. Those pieces allow him to be multiple, disguise his defense and confuse the other team blah, blah, blah. Now all of a sudden he doesn't know if they need the "Jack" position? Isn't that like a 3-4 defense guru saying he isn't sure about need a dominant nose tackle?
I am happy to see him correct his fuck up from last year (misusing Jack Sawyer) but it was his fuck up. It also wasn't his only fuck up(s). Going to the B12 in search of a defensive coordinator may not have been an optimal strategy on Day's part.
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Captain Buckeye
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We rarely played with a Jack position so I think you're off base here. Yes we misused Jack some but most of the time we didn't.
Was Jim too aggressive at the wrong times? Yeah some... but I'm sorry Hickman isn't Sonny Styles and McCallister didn't have the cover skills needed either.
Is the following Jim's fault?
1. Browns blown tackles vs Penn State and Michigan
2. Ransom falling down vs UGA and blowing 2 assignments vs Michigan
3. Martinez who barely played getting roasted on a double move.
Jim shouldn't have been as aggressive as he was vs ttun and should've protected deep more vs UGA. However, coach Knowles is exactly who we need. Someone who will play cover 0, 1, 2, 3, 4 and someone who brings pressure.
He put his secondary in position to make plays and they failed a ton. Think of all those deep passes caught over top of our DBs as further examples. The players are right there but failed to get the job done. Rarely was someone running wide open (minus the slip and Martinez getting roasted).
Personally I hope we play more zone this upcoming year (especially on 3rd and long) because more eyes looking forward is a great thing.
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It's year-2 ...
Can't get credit for fixing last year's mistake unless you made last year's mistake.
At least Knowles isn't going full-Iowa-offense and denying there are mistakes at all.
Can't get credit for fixing last year's mistake unless you made last year's mistake.
At least Knowles isn't going full-Iowa-offense and denying there are mistakes at all.
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It could be as simple as "these guys can't cover for shit. I need more freaking pressure!" Voila, Jack is back rushing again instead of guessing where he's going to be. They can still go 5 DBs and it works beautifully with Sonny or CJ Hicks as the fifth who can both cover, rush and play the run. Hey, moonshine has shit on the top you have to get rid of before you get white lightnin! Sometimes you have to fuck it up to know how to fix it the right way.
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He played with a Jack position enough to call out the need to do it less and comment on how it stunted Sawyers growth so obviously it was more than "rarely".
Other than that how did you enjoy the play Mrs. Lincoln?
His playcalling in the horse abortion defensive efforts that were the last two games of the year would get people fired if they weren't newly hired to unfuck the last horse abortionists efforts. Blaming it on players being unable to cover is a major cop out-he had all year to evaluate them he knew what he had or didn't have by that point and he still went full slap nuts and put them in places they could succeed. Playing to your players weakness is the hallmark of a bad coach.
He is responsible yes but no the coach doesn't actually cover anyone but this can be said of any coach "they don't execute the plays". See above, he knows by game 11 what his guys can and can't do.
"How'd you enjoy the play Mrs Lincoln? 2.0
You can't just gloss over what he did .
I will agree he put his secondary in some positions and they obviously failed a ton but characterizing those positions as an opportunity to make plays doesn't pass the logic test for me. If you know a guy can't do something and you ask him to do it for all the marbles, do or die, game and season on the line then it's not the players fault.
Good news is we are only going to have to argue about Day and Knowles one more year. It's now do or die time for them.
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That's how I look at it. Most of the season we were blown away by Knowles and new creative scheme. Not so much the last couple of games. I will say the one constant thing I didn't like was Sawyer's use and hopefully now that Knowles has the benefit of a full year of film, he realizes that needs to change. Hell, we're talking about him putting his hand in the dirt more, not reinventing the wheel. Everything else except maybe being a tad less aggressive in certain circumstances and using Sawyer better is probably fine. Well I suppose the talent level/performance at corner needs to improve, but if it doesn't next year we just need new coaches in the secondary. But as Jaxbuck said, we're not going to have to wait long to find out what changes need or need not be made. Have to improve against the better offenses and while I think there were plenty of positive signs for most of the season, the last two games cannot be ignored.
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