2023 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

[Zurp]

Make the radio company a sponsor and have them supply the radios to all teams for little to no cost. Rather than a green sticker like the NFL use an AT&T logo or whoever handles it.

Maybe it has been mentioned here, but I've heard a few reasons they don't want to go to radios. (For the record, I think the NCAA should allow the radios in the helmets.)

First, is the cost. Not all teams make money, so the teams that don't make money - here's another thing to bring their bottom line even farther down.

Second, for some reason (I didn't hear what that reason is), that move would first be done on a conference-by-conference level. So if the Big Ten gets radios, and the Big Twelve doesn't, they're going to cry that the Big Ten team has an advantage. So.. fine - they can't use radios when playing out-of-conference opponents. It's now a disadvantage for the Big Ten team that has been used to using radios to suddenly not be allowed to use the radios. So the conferences don't want to put their teams at a disadvantage against other conferences. Again, I think the NCAA should just allow it across the board, but whoever came up with this seems to think that won't happen.

Third reason I heard was about liability. I don't know why this would be different from the NFL, though. But the helmets are made by some company, and that company doesn't want to get into the liability of including radios. The radio company doesn't want to get into the liability of college kids' safety. Seems pretty lame to me - why not use whatever company is making the helmets for the NFL?

Finally, I think some teams don't want to go to radios because they've gotten good at legally stealing the other teams' signals, and breaking their code. I'm saying "legally" because I don't want to know about who else is illegally doing this, though, I think we'll hear about more teams in the next 3-5 years. But these teams get a good advantage by breaking the other teams' codes, and they don't want to give that up.

 

[NFBuck]

Please tell me this is nobody from this site. Fuck their fans. They talked so much shit during the 90s, TattooGate, and Meyer's exit. UTQTFS

They fucking deserve this and everything else coming.

 

[AJHawkfan]

Let's also not pretend that going to radios just magically makes it completely cheater-proof and solves all sign-stealing problems.

There's been plenty of well documented cases in the NFL where the QBs earpiece cuts out on 3rd down or in the last two minutes of a half/game. coughNew Englandcough....... You also cannot tell me that the radio signal couldn't be intercepted and a third party couldn't listen in and relay the info to the other team's sideline.

 

[Zurp]

I think that the worst thing the Big Ten can do is nothing. "Hey - we want to do a thorough investigation and make our decision based on that." Meanwhile, say the cheaters win a third championship in a row, and in February they say, "They were cheating for 3 years - we're vacating the three championships." You had them in October. You could have made a decision in November. And now you're making them vacate the championship after that. Much worse, in my opinion, than vacating 2021 and 2022 championships.

A decision doesn't need to be made today, but one should be made in the next couple of weeks.

The Big Ten needs to answer a couple of questions:
1. Did M*ch*gan break rules in 2023?
2. Did the rule-breaking give them an unfair advantage in 2023?
3. Does that unfair advantage warrant vacating wins or post-season ban?

I'll let the Big Ten figure out #1 (but it certainly looks bad for them). If #1 is "yes", #2 has to be "yes". And therefore, #3 has to be "yes". Instead of taking it away in February, don't give it to them in December.

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

I think that the worst thing the Big Ten can do is nothing. "Hey - we want to do a thorough investigation and make our decision based on that." Meanwhile, say the cheaters win a third championship in a row, and in February they say, "They were cheating for 3 years - we're vacating the three championships." You had them in October. You could have made a decision in November. And now you're making them vacate the championship after that. Much worse, in my opinion, than vacating 2021 and 2022 championships.

A decision doesn't need to be made today, but one should be made in the next couple of weeks.

The Big Ten needs to answer a couple of questions:
1. Did M*ch*gan break rules in 2023?
2. Did the rule-breaking give them an unfair advantage in 2023?
3. Does that unfair advantage warrant vacating wins or post-season ban?

I'll let the Big Ten figure out #1 (but it certainly looks bad for them). If #1 is "yes", #2 has to be "yes". And therefore, #3 has to be "yes". Instead of taking it away in February, don't give it to them in December.

They need to make a decision before Michigan's next game on Nov 4th. If they have the evidence of the vast network then they should suspend coaches until further investigations kind of thing.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Reading the tea leaves here, this is something much bigger than illegal sign stealing. Sign stealing is just collateral damage. The FBI turned this over because they are investigating something much more sinister. Nothing else makes sense.

Here's my educated guess: The sign stealing scheme was clearly designed to win games, but someone affiliated with the program (coach, staffer, player) had to have noticed that Michigan was not only winning nearly every game but also covering the spread at an unprecedented rate (at least with respect to Big Ten games, i.e. games that were "scouted"). Said person(s) saw a money making opportunity and started betting on Michigan to cover – essentially reverse point shaving. Cheating to win games is against the rules of the sport. Cheating to win money is against the rules of law. I'm guessing that someone in Ann Arbor is looking at some jail time.

 

[TDunk]

Let's also not pretend that going to radios just magically makes it completely cheater-proof and solves all sign-stealing problems.

There's been plenty of well documented cases in the NFL where the QBs earpiece cuts out on 3rd down or in the last two minutes of a half/game. coughNew Englandcough....... You can't also tell me that the radio signal couldn't be intercepted and a third party couldn't listen in and relay the info to the other team's sideline.

Also only one player gets the radio transmission. The QB or D player has to send signals to others unless they huddle. That hurts the up tempo teams.

 

[Wingate1217]

Supposedly the reason they don't do the radios is cost - maybe time for the big schools to open a fun, hell a donor may be able to take care of it, but supposedly that is the reason they haven't yet. Don't know if that's true.

Heck, the NCAA could supplement the cost of the equipment. Those bastards have millions of dollars in their piggy bank. I wouldn’t mind a fee that every school must contribute to help fund the upgrade. There are ways to get this done…no excuse not to at this point…

 

[Buckeyefrankmp]

 

[1926Buckeyes]

This is straight pussy from my view. Sorry, can't relate Captain.

I don't want the game canceled one bit, but people still don't get how hard it will be to beat them with this advantage. You can get fired up as much as possible, but it's too late to change your signal system and while you can huddle, it eliminates the ability to go fast or audible from the sideline. That's a huge disadvantage.

The damage has been done, this season has been completely tainted. They have film and know the signal systems for B1G opponents, and if nothing changes they're not losing any conference games. OSU and PSU can come up with great game plans executed perfectly, and Michigan will still magically come up with crucial plays at crucial times and win. You'd have to suspend most of their coaching and support staff, and even then their players know a lot of the signs as well.

There's no good answer, they've poisoned the well. If they play the games, they better not have CCG or CFP eligibility, and the B1G has to make sure PSU and OSU losses aren't going to negatively impact their playoff chances.

 

[LordJeffBuck]

Here are the problems with punishing Michigan:

If Michigan forfeits the remainder of the season, then it's a money problem – TV networks will lose product, ad revenues, and ratings, and Penn State and Maryland will lose home gate receipts.

If Michigan plays the remainder of the season without penalty, then it's an integrity problem – with all of the malfeasors (except Porn Name Marine) still in place, then the Big Ten cannot guarantee fair competition in Michigan games. This result will also not please the networks, who have paid to broadcast football games not pro wrestling matches.

If Michigan plays the remainder of the season with penalties, then it's a quality problem – if the entire coaching staff is immediately fired and the team is ineligible for postseason, then players will hit the portal or sit out of games to protect their draft status. By the time The Game rolls around, mighty Michigan might look more like a MAC team, and that wouldn't be much good for either ratings or integrity of competition.

It's quite the conundrum, so I vote for Fuck Michigan. The Big Ten should force them to forfeit the remainder of the season; mete out other penalties (vacating games, scholarship losses, show cause orders) down the road, and do whatever it can to mitigate the losses of their television partners.

 

[Bill Lucas]

so I vote for Fuck Michigan.

Always the correct choice!

 

[Buckeye86]

Here are the problems with punishing Michigan:

If Michigan forfeits the remainder of the season, then it's a money problem – TV networks will lose product, ad revenues, and ratings, and Penn State and Maryland will lose home gate receipts.

If Michigan plays the remainder of the season without penalty, then it's an integrity problem – with all of the malfeasors (except Porn Name Marine) still in place, then the Big Ten cannot guarantee fair competition in Michigan games. This result will also not please the networks, who have paid to broadcast football games not pro wrestling matches.

If Michigan plays the remainder of the season with penalties, then it's a quality problem – if the entire coaching staff is immediately fired and the team is ineligible for postseason, then players will hit the portal or sit out of games to protect their draft status. By the time The Game rolls around, mighty Michigan might look more like a MAC team, and that wouldn't be much good for either ratings or integrity of competition.

It's quite the conundrum, so I vote for Fuck Michigan. The Big Ten should force them to forfeit the remainder of the season; mete out other penalties (vacating games, scholarship losses, show cause orders) down the road, and do whatever it can to mitigate the losses of their television partners.

I mean, at the very least can the B1G make sure they don’t have someone in the hip pocket of their coordinators on the sidelines with laminated signal sheets and a binder of other illegally obtained data for the rest of their games this season?

 

[buckeyemania11]

Here are the problems with punishing Michigan:

If Michigan forfeits the remainder of the season, then it's a money problem – TV networks will lose product, ad revenues, and ratings, and Penn State and Maryland will lose home gate receipts.

If Michigan plays the remainder of the season without penalty, then it's an integrity problem – with all of the malfeasors (except Porn Name Marine) still in place, then the Big Ten cannot guarantee fair competition in Michigan games. This result will also not please the networks, who have paid to broadcast football games not pro wrestling matches.

If Michigan plays the remainder of the season with penalties, then it's a quality problem – if the entire coaching staff is immediately fired and the team is ineligible for postseason, then players will hit the portal or sit out of games to protect their draft status. By the time The Game rolls around, mighty Michigan might look more like a MAC team, and that wouldn't be much good for either ratings or integrity of competition.

It's quite the conundrum, so I vote for Fuck Michigan. The Big Ten should force them to forfeit the remainder of the season; mete out other penalties (vacating games, scholarship losses, show cause orders) down the road, and do whatever it can to mitigate the losses of their television partners.

Michigan should be made to pay those losses from television partners. Along with having to pay back any conference/tv revenues received from football since 2021.

 

[buckeyebri]

Grandpa would tell me stories about them burning Woody in effigy singing "Goodbye Woody! So long Woody!" As is tradition around these parts.

When my oldest brother was a freshman he took me to see OSU vs Baylor. We tied 36-36. I marveled at the hanging of Effigies of Woody on High Street after that game.