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2023 tCun Shenanigans, Arguments, Cobras, Feckless Marmots, Fake Pandas, Dirty Cheaters

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Jake said:
Fuck 'em. They've already got intel this season. I'll take a forfeit and a bye before the CCG. Next year they get clowned in The Shoe.
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Bingo.

fuck them.

play them and potentially give them the satisfaction of victory? No absolutely not.

They should be done relatively soon if they had real balls.

Seriously a team cheated the games affecting how many outcomes? We lost two titles and one CFP appearance because of this. They shouldn’t be allowed to take anything else.
 
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Zem said:
It just occurred to me that the NCAA should--along with forfeitures, bowl bans and tv bans--go further than scholarship revocation and ban transfers to *ichigan for a couple years, as well. Less scholarships doesn't mean much with the unrestricted portal.

They might never win another Natty, but maybe they will be the first school to have tranfers banned, unless that's already happened to another school and I hadn't heard about it. Scum's claim to fame. What fun it is to dream of the impending penalties.
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Good insight. I don't think many will want to transfer after all the penalties come in but why not close the portal for a few years as well.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
When a team cheats "off the field" – recruiting violations, academic scandals, that sort of thing – then wins are vacated. Off the field cheating potentially allows a team to build a better roster, but it doesn't directly affect the integrity of the competition (note the Big Ten's usage of similar language with respect to the Michigan sign stealing affair).

However, when a team cheats "on the field" – typically by knowingly using an ineligible player (see Alabama, 1993) – then wins are forfeited. On the field cheating definitely affects the integrity of the competition (and the accuracy of betting lines) and it is treated much more seriously.

What's the difference between vacating and forfeiting? When the winning team vacates a win, the losing team still retains the loss. When the winning team forfeits a win, the losing team gets credited for a win.

If Michigan's actions gave them an unfair advantage in games that they won – in other words, if they affected the integrity of the competition – then they should be forced to forfeit all of those games.
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No one on X understands this distinction. Fuck "vacated" - it's still a loss for the opponent. On-field cheating is a forfeit - not the same.

I've literally had multiple clowns tell me there's no difference. There's a big damn difference. Thanks for clearly explaining it.
 
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Jake said:
No one on Twitter understands this distinction. Fuck "vacated" - it's still a loss for the opponent. On-field cheating is a forfeit - win for the opponent.

I've literally had multiple clowns tell me there's no difference. There's a big damn difference. Thanks for explaining it.
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Exactly why they shouldn’t play another game.

There’s two weeks until they play again and the NCAA needs to do the right thing and ban them.

If they beat Ohio State for example and we go 11-1 while they go 13-0 and then they get the hammer in December then what?

You can’t let these assholes taken any more. They’ve laid waste to two seasons already and if they allow them to play the year out they’ll have to forfeit this year eventually too.

Edited to add this Quote btw…

”You always want to be above reproach, especially when you’re good, because you don’t want people to come back and say, ‘They’re winning because they’re cheating.’ That’s always going to be a knee-jerk reaction in my experience, ever since I was a little kid. We want to be above reproach in everything and do everything by the rules. Because if you don’t, if you cheat to win, then you’ve already lost, according to Bo Schembechler. And Bo Schembechler is about next to the word of God as you can get in my mind. It’s not the word of God, but it’s close.”

-- Jim Harbaugh, 2013
 
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It’s in the B1G’s interest to NOT allow a team to win a CCG (and essentially a playoff spot) and have a fairly high probability of having to FORFEIT that CCG win and any potential playoff wins at a later date.

It should be one of Gene Smith’s final meaningful acts as AD of the Buckeye football program to convince the B1G to act pro-actively and ban the cheating TTUN program from any postseason participation in 2023.

That would make any concern about a 3-way tiebreaker a moot point, and barring a Buckeye collapse losing 2 games down the stretch, would mean that last week’s win over Penn State essentially clinched a berth in the B1G CCG.
 
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BB73 said:
It’s in the B1G’s interest to NOT allow a team to win a CCG (and essentially a playoff spot) and have a fairly high probability of having to FORFEIT that CCG win and any potential playoff wins at a later date.

It should be one of Gene Smith’s final meaningful acts as AD of the Buckeye football program to convince the B1G to act pro-actively and ban the cheating TTUN program from any postseason participation in 2023.

That would make any concern about a 3-way tiebreaker a moot point, and barring a Buckeye collapse losing 2 games down the stretch, would mean that last week’s win over Penn State essentially clinched a berth in the B1G CCG.
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Yes.

That’s my argument but much better articulated lol.

There’s no point in waiting if there’s proof. Ban them now so that the big ten has a chance to send a representative to the playoffs without a loss.

Btw how hilarious would it be if they are done for the year and then Ohio State wins the big ten and then wins the title.
 
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