Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
Just highlighting another prime example of DFBIA and how they operate. It is also a fun insight into their horrible media coverage and how it helps condition them to this stupidity.
I’ll call it the “our players have never shown that they are very good, but just being here for awhile automatically means they’re going to be good now.”
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/what-would-it-take-offensive-line
But oh well, let’s move on to the completely unfounded optimism after they laid out how bad they were last year, didn’t have a single player who showed any sign of being good, but they’re all going to be good this year just because it’s a new year and they’re still here.
And then this gem.
And on to the comments.
And also, this is a good example of the media feeding into this shit, because Runyan wasn’t very good—sixth round draft pick at guard—but started for several years.
[media]who should we award at offensive line? fuck it, just give it to the guy that has played at Michigan for awhile, he’s probably good[/media]
What is there even to say about this? I guess I’ll just let their own commenter point out just one of the issues here.
I’ll call it the “our players have never shown that they are very good, but just being here for awhile automatically means they’re going to be good now.”
https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/what-would-it-take-offensive-line
It is sad to think that there is not a single position group that I think anyone would argue played well last year.
They started and played badly last year, but they have significant upside potential because... they aren’t seniors yet?Going into 2021, 6 players have four or more starts to their name. Many of those players have significant upside potential because they are relatively young.
What a youth movement.Ryan Hayes may be entering his fourth year
Fifth year senior, Andrew Stueber
Zak Zinter is only entering his second year
Karsen Barnhart is a true junior
true junior Trevor Keegan
Trente Jones could also step up (also entering his third year in the program)
You even left off Honigford who is a senior
I guess all it takes for them to no longer think you have upside to magically get better between seasons is when coming back next year is no longer an option.Sixth year Andrew Vastardis and fifth year Chuck Filiaga who may be the least likely to start, may also be the two with the least upside of those returning with starting experience.
What does “solid big ten performer” even mean?That is 8 guys battling for five spots. I don’t think it is a huge stretch to think that Hayes, Stueber and Zinter will be at a minimum solid big ten performers.
It’s a standard they apparently use pretty frequently, and I truly don’t understand what it means.has a floor of a decent Big Ten lineman.
But oh well, let’s move on to the completely unfounded optimism after they laid out how bad they were last year, didn’t have a single player who showed any sign of being good, but they’re all going to be good this year just because it’s a new year and they’re still here.
I really don’t think that is the case that has been laid out, here. Especially because he immediately contradicted that optimism with this.I would argue that the offensive line is not a place you need to be wearing maize colored glasses to see the potential pretty significant improvement.
Uh, yeah.how good a coach will Sherrone Moore be? On the downside for Moore, he has spent his entire career as a tight end coach.
And then this gem.
He played at LA Tech, so it goes without saying he doesn’t meet the “can play in the B1G” standard they are looking for.On the positive side, the only transfer from the o-line, Willie Allen, can almost certainly be explained by playing time concerns.
I don’t think pointing out that these guys might have NFL aspirations really highlights their judgement in the way he thinks it does.If the players had a concern with him as a coach, given the fact that many of them probably still have reasonable NFL aspirations, one thinks we might have seen a few transfers.
And on to the comments.
Back to the ol’ “just because they play doesn’t mean they’re good, especially when you lose a bunch of games” standard that they so consistently have trouble coming to terms with. Maybe this is the source of the really weird “B1G quality player” standard that is completely meaningless outside of their heads. Just starting at Michigan equals excellence (even when you lose). Making three stars think they’re five stars really is the magic of Michigan.It will be a dogfight for the last OL position or two and whoever wins the job(s) will be a quality player.
I don’t think being the same size as someone else is the only key to matching their performance.If Runyan at his size could be All-B1G there is no reason to think Hayes can’t.
And also, this is a good example of the media feeding into this shit, because Runyan wasn’t very good—sixth round draft pick at guard—but started for several years.
[media]who should we award at offensive line? fuck it, just give it to the guy that has played at Michigan for awhile, he’s probably good[/media]
This is... optimism?Maybe Chuck could be like a late career Kalis?
Again, the “they can play in the conference” standard. I’ve never really noticed this before, and I really think it’s funny. It’s a way to hold on to past glories... forget that we lose a bunch of games now, remember when playing at Michigan meant you were probably pretty good?We have 8 guys who can be plus OL in the conference.
Offense will not be an issue this year. Our running game will be great. We have a ton of decent to good options at WR. All has a ton of ability, and Cade can do at a bare minimum what Speight did in 2016 with potential to be able to replicate what Shea did in 2018
What is there even to say about this? I guess I’ll just let their own commenter point out just one of the issues here.
Yes, ignoring the baseless optimism over the players themselves, let’s not forget the OC who managed to put garbage on the field with at least the same, and by most reasonable assessments better, quality players.I'm an still deeply concerned about play calling, offensive design - in terms of building on core concepts so execution isn't a mess and taking advantage of opponents' weaknesses, and tempo. Being the slowest offense in college football and totally unable to run a 2 minute drill will probably lose this team games.
So while I can see the OL might not be an issue this year as it was last year, this coaching staff has a lot to prove before I can say I believe it's not going to be a mess on offense.
Fwiw I believe our offensive line will be very good this year
The OL is talented and fairly deep.
Agreed that the line should be improved. The talent appears to be there and it should be a strength for the offense.
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