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2021 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, Surrender Cobras, Feckless Marmots, and Quitty Cowards

Which scUM QB transfers first?

  • McNamara

    Votes: 23 45.1%
  • McCarthy

    Votes: 28 54.9%

  • Total voters
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Just highlighting another prime example of DFBIA and how they operate. It is also a fun insight into their horrible media coverage and how it helps condition them to this stupidity.

I’ll call it the “our players have never shown that they are very good, but just being here for awhile automatically means they’re going to be good now.”

https://mgoblog.com/mgoboard/what-would-it-take-offensive-line

It is sad to think that there is not a single position group that I think anyone would argue played well last year.
Going into 2021, 6 players have four or more starts to their name. Many of those players have significant upside potential because they are relatively young.
They started and played badly last year, but they have significant upside potential because... they aren’t seniors yet?
Ryan Hayes may be entering his fourth year
Fifth year senior, Andrew Stueber
Zak Zinter is only entering his second year
Karsen Barnhart is a true junior
true junior Trevor Keegan
Trente Jones could also step up (also entering his third year in the program)
You even left off Honigford who is a senior
What a youth movement.
Sixth year Andrew Vastardis and fifth year Chuck Filiaga who may be the least likely to start, may also be the two with the least upside of those returning with starting experience.
I guess all it takes for them to no longer think you have upside to magically get better between seasons is when coming back next year is no longer an option.
That is 8 guys battling for five spots. I don’t think it is a huge stretch to think that Hayes, Stueber and Zinter will be at a minimum solid big ten performers.
What does “solid big ten performer” even mean?
has a floor of a decent Big Ten lineman.
It’s a standard they apparently use pretty frequently, and I truly don’t understand what it means.

But oh well, let’s move on to the completely unfounded optimism after they laid out how bad they were last year, didn’t have a single player who showed any sign of being good, but they’re all going to be good this year just because it’s a new year and they’re still here.
I would argue that the offensive line is not a place you need to be wearing maize colored glasses to see the potential pretty significant improvement.
I really don’t think that is the case that has been laid out, here. Especially because he immediately contradicted that optimism with this.
how good a coach will Sherrone Moore be? On the downside for Moore, he has spent his entire career as a tight end coach.
Uh, yeah. :lol:
And then this gem.
On the positive side, the only transfer from the o-line, Willie Allen, can almost certainly be explained by playing time concerns.
He played at LA Tech, so it goes without saying he doesn’t meet the “can play in the B1G” standard they are looking for.
If the players had a concern with him as a coach, given the fact that many of them probably still have reasonable NFL aspirations, one thinks we might have seen a few transfers.
I don’t think pointing out that these guys might have NFL aspirations really highlights their judgement in the way he thinks it does. :lol:

And on to the comments.
It will be a dogfight for the last OL position or two and whoever wins the job(s) will be a quality player.
Back to the ol’ “just because they play doesn’t mean they’re good, especially when you lose a bunch of games” standard that they so consistently have trouble coming to terms with. Maybe this is the source of the really weird “B1G quality player” standard that is completely meaningless outside of their heads. Just starting at Michigan equals excellence (even when you lose). Making three stars think they’re five stars really is the magic of Michigan.

If Runyan at his size could be All-B1G there is no reason to think Hayes can’t.
I don’t think being the same size as someone else is the only key to matching their performance.

And also, this is a good example of the media feeding into this shit, because Runyan wasn’t very good—sixth round draft pick at guard—but started for several years.

[media]who should we award at offensive line? fuck it, just give it to the guy that has played at Michigan for awhile, he’s probably good[/media]

Maybe Chuck could be like a late career Kalis?
This is... optimism?

We have 8 guys who can be plus OL in the conference.
Again, the “they can play in the conference” standard. I’ve never really noticed this before, and I really think it’s funny. It’s a way to hold on to past glories... forget that we lose a bunch of games now, remember when playing at Michigan meant you were probably pretty good?
Offense will not be an issue this year. Our running game will be great. We have a ton of decent to good options at WR. All has a ton of ability, and Cade can do at a bare minimum what Speight did in 2016 with potential to be able to replicate what Shea did in 2018
:lol:
What is there even to say about this? I guess I’ll just let their own commenter point out just one of the issues here.
I'm an still deeply concerned about play calling, offensive design - in terms of building on core concepts so execution isn't a mess and taking advantage of opponents' weaknesses, and tempo. Being the slowest offense in college football and totally unable to run a 2 minute drill will probably lose this team games.

So while I can see the OL might not be an issue this year as it was last year, this coaching staff has a lot to prove before I can say I believe it's not going to be a mess on offense.
Yes, ignoring the baseless optimism over the players themselves, let’s not forget the OC who managed to put garbage on the field with at least the same, and by most reasonable assessments better, quality players.

Fwiw I believe our offensive line will be very good this year
The OL is talented and fairly deep.
Agreed that the line should be improved. The talent appears to be there and it should be a strength for the offense.
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I don't know who any of these guys are, so I went to the tape... 247 national ranking for each of them...

These guys are apparently all Tackles....

Ryan Hayes (may be entering his fourth year) 355
(Fifth year senior,) Andrew Stueber 365
Zak Zinter (is only entering his second year) 265
Karsen Barnhart (is a true junior) 266
(true junior) Trevor Keegan 176
Trente Jones (could also step up (also entering his third year in the program)) 108
(You even left off) [Joel] Honigford (who is a senior) 440

(Sixth year) Andrew Vastardis 2937
(and fifth year) Chuck Filiaga 112

So, let's see... the highest rated guy, Jones, "could" step up now that he's in his third year in the program. As evidence of likelihood of stepping up, of course, we can look to the second highest rated guy, Filiga.. who... oh... bad example.. he, along with the lowest rated guy, tops the list of least likely to start.

How dare the OP leave off the guy rated 440 and is a senior? DFBIA sure does stay true to the "we have several guys at this position" argument.
 
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Another prime example of DFBIA and how they operate. It is also a fun insight into their horrible media coverage and how it helps condition them to this stupidity.
Going into 2021, 6 [OL] have four or more starts to their name. Many of those players have significant upside potential because they are relatively young.
I believe our offensive line will be very good this year ... The OL is talented and fairly deep ... The talent appears to be there and it should be a strength for the offense ... We have 8 guys who can be plus OL in the conference.
Michigan OL with starting experience....

Andrew Steuber: 8 games
Chuck Filiaga: 6 starts
Andrew Vastardis: 4 starts
Zak Zinter: 4 games
Karsten Barnhart: 4 games
Ryan Hayes: 4 starts​

That's six players with 30 starts total. That's a deep and talented group according to the DFBIA

At Ohio State, Thayer Munford has started 33 games at LT ... and he was by far the lowest-rated prospect on our starting OL.
 
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Michigan OL with starting experience....

Andrew Steuber: 8 games
Chuck Filiaga: 6 starts
Andrew Vastardis: 4 starts
Zak Zinter: 4 games
Karsten Barnhart: 4 games
Ryan Hayes: 4 starts​

That's six players with 30 starts total. That's a deep and talented group according to the DFBIA

At Ohio State, Thayer Munford has started 33 games at LT ... and he was by far the lowest-rated prospect on our starting OL.
Hat tip to Harbrau & Co. for identifying Thayer for us.
 
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Michigan OL with starting experience....

Andrew Steuber: 8 games
Chuck Filiaga: 6 starts
Andrew Vastardis: 4 starts
Zak Zinter: 4 games
Karsten Barnhart: 4 games
Ryan Hayes: 4 starts​

That's six players with 30 starts total. That's a deep and talented group according to the DFBIA

At Ohio State, Thayer Munford has started 33 games at LT ... and he was by far the lowest-rated prospect on our starting OL.

On a side note, Amazon Prime has a pretty good, QB1 style documentary series about the Aledo HS football team in Aledo, TX. Chuck Filiaga was one of the featured kids as a senior, I forgot all about him going to scUM when I watched this a few months ago. It's interesting how he was a star on a state championship team, and an absolute behemoth, and he can barely break the starting lineup his entire career.

Anyway, continue with the scUM hate
 
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On a side note, Amazon Prime has a pretty good, QB1 style documentary series about the Aledo HS football team in Aledo, TX. Chuck Filiaga was one of the featured kids as a senior, I forgot all about him going to scUM when I watched this a few months ago. It's interesting how he was a star on a state championship team, and an absolute behemoth, and he can barely break the starting lineup his entire career.

Anyway, continue with the scUM hate
It's hard to break through that much depth and talent. They've got a few KyLLLLLLLLLLe KaLLLLLLLLLLLLLis potentials just waiting in the wings.
 
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