2021 tOSU Defense

[Systems_id]

Still a lot to work on but a step in the right direction. Came up with some clutch plays when absolutely needed. If we got this kind of production during the Oregon game OSU is sitting at #2 right now.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Comes down to inactivity in the zones in my opinion. Guys are rushing to get into their zones then get caught flat footed by not picking up a guy running through their zones. Mitchell had an easy INT yesterday if he just looked where the guy was in his zone but he had his back turned running into his zone. Also the safeties are too deep in those zones so the underneath zones are wide open. It was a good find by the PSU Offense and bad adjustments by us.

The pass rush is much improved and if Offensive holding ever starts to get called, Ohio State may never lose again.

 

[dragurd]

Comes down to inactivity in the zones in my opinion. Guys are rushing to get into their zones then get caught flat footed by not picking up a guy running through their zones. Mitchell had an easy INT yesterday if he just looked where the guy was in his zone but he had his back turned running into his zone. Also the safeties are too deep in those zones so the underneath zones are wide open. It was a good find by the PSU Offense and bad adjustments by us.

The pass rush is much improved and if Offensive holding ever starts to get called, Ohio State may never lose again.

Indeed. They run to their spot and have a tendency to stand there then move when the QB throws instead of carrying and undercutting receivers. I can't count how many times on 3rd and log Clifford made a throw with at least 3 guys standing flat footed around the reciever

 

[maximumblitz]

Comes down to inactivity in the zones in my opinion. Guys are rushing to get into their zones then get caught flat footed by not picking up a guy running through their zones. Mitchell had an easy INT yesterday if he just looked where the guy was in his zone but he had his back turned running into his zone. Also the safeties are too deep in those zones so the underneath zones are wide open. It was a good find by the PSU Offense and bad adjustments by us.

Some time ago, maybe last year, probably two years ago, Ryan Day said he preferred to have a defense that made the opposing offense have to work its way down the field. What happened with PSU throwing many underneath routes may have been simply that was what Ryan Day wanted to give them, after his probable personal horror of watching the secondary leak huge yards. In the end, Ryan Day won.

The irony is that this is the very thing that Withers got fired for. I recall he favored bend but do not break.

A second irony may be that with the triple B defense of Brown, Banks, and Burke healthy, maybe press man would work again? Or maybe it would work if the front 4 got tons of pressure without needing to send six.

A win is a win.

 

[ShowMeBuck]

We are lucky the defense is sitting where it is considering where it was.

We won’t win a Natty if we don’t win the trenches and Penn State state looked more physical there on both sides of the ball all game.

How many 3rd and short run plays did they stuff the Buckeyes? It looked like a while bunch to me.

So, given this is the defensive thread I’ll just say that I feel lucky to have the D where it is considering where they were.

Unfortunately they are still suspect enough to make the offense really work hard to keep them in a big game and if the offense can’t establish a solid run game? Not good.

 

[bukIpower]

Some time ago, maybe last year, probably two years ago, Ryan Day said he preferred to have a defense that made the opposing offense have to work its way down the field. What happened with PSU throwing many underneath routes may have been simply that was what Ryan Day wanted to give them, after his probable personal horror of watching the secondary leak huge yards. In the end, Ryan Day won.

The irony is that this is the very thing that Withers got fired for. I recall he favored bend but do not break.

A second irony may be that with the triple B defense of Brown, Banks, and Burke healthy, maybe press man would work again? Or maybe it would work if the front 4 got tons of pressure without needing to send six.

A win is a win.

Withers got fired because the DBs played 10 yards off the ball. That aside we can't all ask for more zone and then be pissed with giving up a ton underneath but that said yeah I think we should've mixed in more man. Everything they hit was between the numbers and its a lesson I think this defense needed.

After rewatching the game I now understand why the officiating was criticized so heavily. They directly extended 3 of their scoring drives and they were so obvious. The hold on Ransom, the hold on Williamson, the lineman downfield on the TD throw etc.

That's not even including the many missed holding calls that could've impacted field position and down/distance.

Just terrible.

 

[cmstophe]

We are lucky the defense is sitting where it is considering where it was.

We won’t win a Natty if we don’t win the trenches and Penn State state looked more physical there on both sides of the ball all game.

How many 3rd and short run plays did they stuff the Buckeyes? It looked like a while bunch to me.

So, given this is the defensive thread I’ll just say that I feel lucky to have the D where it is considering where they were.

Unfortunately they are still suspect enough to make the offense really work hard to keep them in a big game and if the offense can’t establish a solid run game? Not good.

Is it just the youth on that side at this point? I thought the defense basically won us that game, in all honesty. The offense was…. Pretty mediocre. Without completely shutting PSU run game down and the pressures/scoop n score, we likely lose. But I agree the D is by no means elite yet, and may not be this season.

 

[woofermazing]

Some time ago, maybe last year, probably two years ago, Ryan Day said he preferred to have a defense that made the opposing offense have to work its way down the field. What happened with PSU throwing many underneath routes may have been simply that was what Ryan Day wanted to give them, after his probable personal horror of watching the secondary leak huge yards. In the end, Ryan Day won.

The irony is that this is the very thing that Withers got fired for. I recall he favored bend but do not break.

A second irony may be that with the triple B defense of Brown, Banks, and Burke healthy, maybe press man would work again? Or maybe it would work if the front 4 got tons of pressure without needing to send six.

A win is a win.

Whithers was actually a Cover 4 guy, which is an aggressive, challenge every throw style. (What Urban preferred.)

2012 they sort of stuck with Cover 4. In 2013 they bailed on it early and picked a new scheme every week, which led to the Clemson mess. We didn't have an adjustment installed for their screen and relief passes.

The big difference under Barnes is that we are playing schematically sound defense again. Nothing to do with Day's preferred style, this was about fixing glaring problems.

With Coombs and Schiano you could fit our playbook on an index card.

We also consistently left gaps open by design for certain formations. No big deal when you have pro ready players on the d-line, right now not so much.

Alabama and Oregon were able to dictate our playcall with their personel and formation, then scheme big plays on outside runs and short passes.

With Barnes, we've added coverages and fronts, and are mixing up playcalls so that is no longer possible.

Still need a better pass rush to get where we want to go though.

 

[Systems_id]

Is it just the youth on that side at this point? I thought the defense basically won us that game, in all honesty. The offense was…. Pretty mediocre. Without completely shutting PSU run game down and the pressures/scoop n score, we likely lose. But I agree the D is by no means elite yet, and may not be this season.

This season more than any feels like one where you probably don’t need an elite defense to win a natty. If the offense gets better at converting in the red zone against good defenses a Top 30 defense may be good enough.

Like I said the offense took a big step last Saturday imo. Now we know the D can win a game when push comes to shove.

 

[bukIpower]

This season more than any feels like one where you probably don’t need an elite defense to win a natty. If the offense gets better at converting in the red zone against good defenses a Top 30 defense may be good enough.

Like I said the offense took a big step last Saturday imo. Now we know the D can win a game when push comes to shove.

I know it's the defensive thread but I totally forgot about the Oregon red zone issues. Geez come to think of it that's a huge concern and imo the largest for this team.

Considering that's our glaring issue right now how about the defense making the red zone as our largest issue? Wasn't long ago when the entire defense was a real problem.

 

[cmstophe]

I know it's the defensive thread but I totally forgot about the Oregon red zone issues. Geez come to think of it that's a huge concern and imo the largest for this team.

Considering that's our glaring issue right now how about the defense making the red zone as our largest issue? Wasn't long ago when the entire defense was a real problem.

MHmm, what could help red zone issues… perhaps a QB keeping the ball and forcing the defense to - ok never mind, back on topic.

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[Bestbuck36]

There are two serious problems with the Defense right now, both in the passing game.
1. The zone spots where our LBs are not getting drop to the zone while maintaining sight of the ball, or QB. Compounding that is the safeties aren't attacking receivers in that soft spot.
2. Opponents are motioning the LB out of the box. Chambers is a problem in the box so they motion him out on the back or reciever leaving one lone backer to sprint to the zone or try man with his back to the ball.
Both issues have us with our back to the ball leaving serious holes in the Defense. Watched this happen multiple times this week and last. The mid level crosses are still hurting the safeties also. The coaches have to make immediate changes to the coverage responsibilities.

Otherwise the Defense is balling. Not going to shut everyone down completely and they are all over the QBs right now. Maybe they can't fix both this year

 

[ScriptOhio]

 

[scarletngray]

Really need our Safeties to step up big-time today.