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2020 ttun Shenanigans, Arguments, and Surrender Cobras (Confirmed COWARDS!)

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Bill Lucas said:
Seemed like fucking forever.
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Indeed but to the point a while back about tsun going through a spell like that....they are getting it worse in The Game and have zero of the things going for them that helped make the Cooper years somewhat less painful.

No Heisman's. No Rose Bowl's. No bounty of 1st round NFL draft picks. No top 5 finishes.

Just losing The Game as part of their annual 3-4 losses.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
No one on earth dislikes John Cooper more than I do but he accomplished significantly more than Jimmy has.

Earl was 5-4 against tsun.

TSUN is having problems but they aren't the same ones OSU had under Earl and Coop. There was a 6-7 year window at the end of Earl's tenure and the beginning of Cooper's where OSU was a regional power at best (I'd put it at '86-'92). That is the closest thing OSU has ever seen to what's been going on in AA for the better part of the last 20 years.
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My four years at OSU: 1987-1991. I think it's the worst four-year stretch in program history ... or at least since before (EDIT) Chic Harley. 1987-88, Cooper's coaching with Earle's "slow white guys", was especially brutal. Thank God for Jim Jackson.

kujirakira said:
Yea, this.
There were no rankings back then, but Cooper was an amazing recruiter.
It is actually criminal he didnt win anything with the talent disparity that he accrued every year. In a time when leaving early for NFL was rare and generally indicated an off field issue (still love you, Big Kat).
We didnt see that talent level again until Urban... Tressel delivered better results year after year with less.
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I always thought Cooper's recruiting was a bit overrated. He recruited some incredible front line stars, as noted, but I don't think he recruited balanced classes, a lot of great depth, or much in the way of QBs. His legacy might have looked different if he'd kept guys like Charles Woodson, Desmond Howard, and Ki-jana Carter home. Tressel recruited plenty of talented guys and, obviously, developed a much stronger "family" culture, which Urban then took to the next level and Day will take to an even higher level.

LordJeffBuck said:
And one of those losses was by the score of 63 to 14.

But Coop did (somehow) beat scUM that year.
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Of course he did. Coop's superpower was losing to the bastards with the better team and everything on the line as his clenched asshole turned coal into little maize and blue diamonds. In 1994 he didn't have the better team and nothing special was on the line except a win in the game, which for him, as opposed to the rest of us, didn't really mean much.
 
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Crump's brother said:
If he's lucky. Mason could recruit running backs.
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I'd like to pause on the absurdity of this truth. People harp on QB, but that's a tough position, and the bar is now sky high (for CFP contenders). But RB? It's by far the easiest position to recruit, develop and find gems. Frankly it's the easiest position to recruit lower rated guys and still get good value. (Master Teague, Carlos Hyde, Antonio Pittman, Boom Herron etc)

Yet Michigan has consistently trotted out bad to mediocre RBs most years. That's really hard to do, especially for what will likely be a 15th year. Devon Smith, Fitz Toussaint, Zach Charbonnet are towards the top end of that stretch of time.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
My four years at OSU: 1987-1991. I think it's the worst four-year stretch in program history ... or at least since Chic Harley. 1987-88, Cooper's coaching with Earle's "slow white guys", was especially brutal. Thank God for Jim Jackson.



I always though Cooper's recruiting was a bit overrated. He recruited some incredible front line stars, as noted, but I don't think he recruited balanced classes, a lot of great depth, or much in the way of QBs. His legacy might have looked different if he'd kept guys like Charles Woodson, Desmond Howard, and Ki-jana Carter home. Tressel recruited plenty of talented guys and, obviously, developed a much stronger "family" culture, which Urban then took to the next level and Day well take to an even higher level.



Of course he did. Coop's superpower was losing to the bastards with the better team and everything on the line as his clenched asshole turned coal into little maize and blue diamonds. In 1994 he didn't have the better team and nothing special was on the line except a win in the game, which for him, as opposed to the rest of us, didn't really mean much.
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The 4-year period from '87 through '90 (25-18-3, .576) was indeed the worst 4-year stretch going almost back to the Harley days. 1922-25 saw a combined 12-14-5 (.468), which is the worst 4-year stretch since 1900.

The actual Harley years ('16, '17, '19) were a combined 21-1-1 (.935), so they really weren't the years for a Coop comparison. In fact, no consecutive 3-season mark in Buckeye history matches a .935 winning percentage, so it's the exact opposite!
 
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Jagdaddy said:
My four years at OSU: 1987-1991. I think it's the worst four-year stretch in program history ... or at least since Chic Harley. 1987-88, Cooper's coaching with Earle's "slow white guys", was especially brutal. Thank God for Jim Jackson.
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Brutal times. Unfortunately you and I are about the same age and I have some of those deeply repressed, dark ass memories.
 
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BB73 said:
The 4-year period from '87 through '90 (25-18-3, .576) was indeed the worst 4-year stretch going almost back to the Harley days. 1922-25 saw a combined 12-14-5 (.468), which is the worst 4-year stretch since 1900.

The actual Harley years ('16, '17, '19) were a combined 21-1-1 (.935), so they really weren't the years for a Coop comparison. In fact, no consecutive 3-season mark in Buckeye history matches a .935 winning percentage, so it's the exact opposite!
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I wasn't clear. in my phrasing I didn't know much about what OSU was pre-Harley. I assumed they'd kicked ass while he was there, but didn't think there had been a worse four-year stretch since before then, so I was wrong about that. Some of us are fortunate enough to not remember the 1922-25 stretch.
 
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Jagdaddy said:
I wasn't clear. in my phrasing I didn't know much about what OSU was pre-Harley. I assumed they'd kicked ass while he was there, but didn't think there had been a worse four-year stretch since before then, so I was wrong about that. Some of use are fortunate enough to not remember the 1922-25 stretch.
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I rocked that damn raccoon coat!
 
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jwinslow said:
I'd like to pause on the absurdity of this truth. People harp on QB, but that's a tough position, and the bar is now sky high (for CFP contenders). But RB? It's by far the easiest position to recruit, develop and find gems. Frankly it's the easiest position to recruit lower rated guys and still get good value. (Master Teague, Carlos Hyde, Antonio Pittman, Boom Herron etc)

Yet Michigan has consistently trotted out bad to mediocre RBs most years. That's really hard to do, especially for what will likely be a 15th year. Devon Smith, Fitz Toussaint, Zach Charbonnet are towards the top end of that stretch of time.
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Marion Barber and Lawrence Maroney are so much better than anyone *ichigan have had it isn't even funny.
Actually, it's a fucking riot.
 
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