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Left Tackle
75 Thayer Munford (6-6 315), Sr
Has 26 starts the last two years, earning Second-Team All-Big Ten recognition last year. Past back issues could be a concern.

Left Guard
76 Harry Miller (6-4 315), Soph
Miller is the betting favorite to win this job and then do very well with it for a year before moving to center next year.

Center
71 Josh Myers (6-5 312), rJr
Myers is one of the best centers in the nation and very capable of becoming OSU’s latest Rimington winner.

Right Guard
52 Wyatt Davis (6-4 315), rJr
Davis was a First-Team All-American last year and could be the first interior linemen selected in the 2021 NFL Draft.

Right Tackle
78 Nicholas Petit-Frere (6-5 305), rSoph
Greg Studrawa said in the spring that Petit-Frere is finally where he needs to be in terms of size and strength.

OR

79 Dawand Jones (6-8 359), Soph
Jones was the surprise of the 2019 recruiting class and will battle for the starting spot here.

OR

77 Paris Johnson (6-6 305), Fr
Losing spring hurts Johnson’s chances here, but he may be good enough to overcome the setback.

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That looks about right to me. I think Jones and Miller will be in a dead heat at LG, but I also tend to favor Miller based on the reports I've read. Also think NPF is the odds on favorite to win RT, but Dawand is going to play and if NPF struggles, I could see a switch being made (although obviously rooting for NPF to turn into the elite prospect he was coming out of HS).
 
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"And in terms of goals for our offensive line, I think last year shows proof that it should always be the Joe Moore Award, which is given to the best offensive line in the country. Last year, a lot of people were talking about our offensive line like it was going to be a liability and could be the downfall of the team and the weakest unit on the team. There was a lot of talk about stuff like that in regard to our offensive line. And we of course ended up being finalists for the Joe Moore Award last season.

"So, I think that just goes to show that at Ohio State, the goal for the offensive line every year should be to win the Joe Moore Award."

As the starting center, Myers is the "quarterback" of the offensive line, and therefore naturally needs to be the leader of the men up front. Now as a captain, he knows his role as a leader is amplified.

"Yes, now our leadership needs to expand past just the offensive line," Myers said. "Which it did some last year, but the biggest part is the expansion of our leadership role along with Wyatt. And that is something that I think we've been doing since the latter half of last season and into the winter and the spring and then the quarantine.

"But expanding our leadership for sure is the biggest part of it."
 
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The Real Hole in Their Swing

What’s wrong on 3rd and medium? That’s the big question.

The flaw in the source data made me think that perhaps the Buckeyes aren’t throwing the ball far enough downfield on 3rd and medium. Going through play-by-play debunked that. Several people, both in this thread and in real life, suggested that field position was skewing the data, that perhaps more 3rd and mediums occurred in the red zone. The previous post proves otherwise. So we are down to two possibilities.

What we’re left with is either Ohio State’s offense is doing something differently on those downs or the defense is doing something differently on those downs. In watching every third down and examining the data, I can say with certainty it’s not the offense.

Ryan Day and his staff did an excellent job of mixing up the formations, patterns, etc on 3rd down. There was no discernible tendency that would explain the difference in the data. Rather than show the giant profusion of data necessary to prove that negative, I’ll just get straight to what the answer is.

The first clue into what is really happening here came with an examination of when opposing defenses blitzed.

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There you have it. The defense is most likely to blitz on 3rd and 7 to 9, the distance at which Justin and the offense struggle (relatively speaking), and they are least likely to blitz on 3rd and 10+, the distance at which Justin and the offense are the biggest kickers in the history of ass. All there is left to do is to chart passing based on blitzing AND distance to go on 3rd down.


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If you notice that there is a difference between the number of attempts in this table and the number of snaps in the previous table, congratulations. The total snaps includes sacks and scrambles. By the way, only 1 third down sack came on a play with no blitz. The other 8 (7 really) were due to a blitz.

Looking at these numbers, two things jump out:

  1. Whether there was a blitz or not, the offense had a slightly higher rating on 3rd and long than on 3rd and medium.
  2. The offense was a LOT better when not facing a blitz, and that’s the real difference in the data.
I’m sure there are some who would dismiss this and say that all offenses struggle with the blitz, that’s why defenses blitz. The only problem with that is, nothing could be further from the truth. Dwayne Haskins was an impresario at making defenses pay for blitzing. So was Dan Marino. Cite your own example. It may be an uncommon skill, at least at a high level, but it exists.

That brings us to the hole in Ohio State’s swing. The offense did not make defenses pay for blitzing last year. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that they didn’t make them pay nearly enough nor dearly enough. They may have completed 80% on 3rd and long against the blitz, but there was also a sack and a scramble short of the first down (which might as well be a sack), and none of the completions was ever for a touchdown on such plays.

Even that is misleading, because when defenses blitzed on 3rd and long, it was usually a zone blitz. Such things did not fool Justin Fields, not even a little. Against zone blitzes on 3rd down in 2019, Justin Fields was 9 of 10 for 121 yards, 0 touchdowns, 0 interceptions for a rating of 191.64. On 3rd and long when they didn’t zone blitz but rather brought 5 or more pass rushers Ohio State did not make a single first down all year.

Now that it is clear that blitzing in general was the problem (and zone blitzing was not), that begs the question of why this was a problem. This analysis uncovered a couple of possible answers.

The data gives us a hint when we look at blitzes by defensive backs. By my count this happened only 12 times on 3rd down in 2019, but admittedly it was sometimes hard to tell as the numbers of some of the blitzers weren’t readily apparent and several of our opponents had linebackers that weren’t much bigger than an average DB. On the 12 occasions when I was able to clearly identify a DB blitz there were 2 sacks, a scramble short of the first down (still might as well be a sack), and 4 for 8 passing for 27 yards, a touchdown and the one 3rd down pick thrown all year for a rating of 94.60. Granted, the sample size is small, but this data hints at something that your eyes probably told you last year. It is something that your eyes scream at you when you watch 3rd down passing, one play after another, over and over while writing down every detail over a period of days. Justin Fields and the Ohio State offensive line struggled with delayed blitzes. I’m not casting aspersions; it’s just a fact. The numbers on DB blitzes hint at this because most of the DB blitzes were either delayed blitzes or they included delayed blitzes from a linebacker.

This is not something that was lost on Ohio State’s opponents late in the year. Clemson ran delayed blitzes a lot, including on most passing-situation 3rd downs.

To Recap: Ohio State struggled (relatively speaking) on 3rd and medium because defenses blitzed a lot more on 3rd and medium. The Buckeyes struggled with the blitz, and struggled mightily with delayed blitzes. Based on the numbers, it is fortunate that defenses did not blitz more on 3rd and long.

Weird Stat: Of 8 incompletions to Hill and Olave on 3rd down, all but one occurred on a play on which the defense blitzed.

What I Wish I’d kept track of: For every play with a blitz, whether it included a delayed blitz.

Up Next: That one 3rd down…

The Most Painful 3rd down

This series will end on a high note (in part because I won’t mention that Justin Fields may never again play in the S&G), but this analysis would be incomplete if I did not mention the most painful 3rd down of the entire year.

No, it wasn’t the interception in the National Semi-Final. Same game, but later.

No, it wasn’t on the final, painful possession of the year. There were no 3rd down passes on that possession.

No, the most painful 3rd down was the last 3rd down pass of the year. Recall way back to the beginning of this series; there was one pass all year that was completed on a 3rd down where the coaching staff was legitimately trying to get a first down with the play called but the play fell short. Yeah. That was the last 3rd down pass of the year. And the way it happened is what really makes it sting.

By that point in the year, the book was out on Justin Fields and the Ohio State offensive line. They struggled with the delayed blitz, and Clemson brought it. They brought it on the first 5 passing 3rd downs and 6 of the first 7.

Then came 3rd and 5 at the Clemson 40 with 4:20 to go. Clemson had blitzed on every 3rd down from this distance the whole game. Ryan Day had them. They were sure to blitz; he hadn’t targeted Austin Mack on a screen on 3rd down all year. The linebackers would be caught in the wash at the LOS, the Buckeyes would make a first down or at least get close enough to get it easily on 4th down. The clock would tick, the coils would tighten. We could all taste it.

But no. Sometimes you have to tip your hat to a good defensive call, but you don’t have to like it.

To fully appreciate what happened, travel back with me to the first game of the year. The first 3rd down throw of the year came on a 3rd and 6. The opponent (FAU) rushed 3. It was the first 3rd down throw of the year, but as of that December day it had been the ONLY time all year that the opponent brought only 3 pass rushers on a 3rd down with 4 to 6 yards to go. So of course the last 3rd down of the year is a 3rd and 5 and the opponent brings… 3 pass rushers. The linebackers were not caught in the wash at the LOS. They were deployed perfectly to bring Mack down for a 1 yard gain.

Feel free to either watch this or jam crochet needles in your eyes. The sensation will be the same.



To Recap: First 3rd down pass of the year: To Go - 4 to 6 yards. Defense rushes 3.
Last 3rd down pass of the year: To Go - 4 to 6 yards. Defense rushes 3.
In between the first 3rd down pass of the year and the last one, all season long, on every 3rd down with 4 to 6 yards to go: Defense rushes more than 3, usually blitzes, bringing at least 5. Ryan Day was right to expect the blitz; it was a good call. Clemson was more right to not blitz; it was a better call.
Kill Me.

Weird Stat: Nothing weird here. Just pain. Nothing but pain.

What I Wish I’d kept track of: Not this.

Up Last: If there’s football in 2020…


Bubble Wrap

When you watch every 3rd down pass of a season in the span of a few days you notice things. Fortunately, not all of the things you notice are things that make you want to bungee jump with a hemp rope tight around your neck. One of the most encouraging things I noticed was that the record setting offense that Ohio State fielded in 2019 still had the bubble wrap on it.

Most of the support for this view is anecdotal, admittedly. But when you watch every 3rd down in just a few days, the patterns are unmistakable.

First, the struggles with delayed blitzes really came from the same place as the fact that Justin frequently took a beat longer than we would have liked to make a decision at times. He was in his first year with the system and it showed. The coaches tried to give him easy throws to try to ameliorate this, and that shows up in the data. Justin threw 16 hooks and 11 out routes on 3rd down. Further, every single one of the out routes was to the field. Point being, they relied on Justin to throw the ball to a spot and use the strength of his arm to get the ball there before the defense could get there. The only other route that was thrown as often as either of those was the crossing route (11 times). While not as easy to throw as the hook or the out, these throws averaged just over 7 yards past the LOS and were some of the shortest (Justin to the receiver) in the arsenal (and Justin is good at throwing that route). Where the struggles occurred was when the defense did something unexpected and one of the primary options wasn’t open.

Sure, Justin struggled when defenses did things that were unexpected. But watching things all at once, and watching as many all-22 videos as I could find, it was clear that he had not been given many options. He was given plays to run and he ran them. He had a set route tree and much of the time there were no hot routes at all. If the defense switched to something that the coaching staff didn’t expect after the check-with-me to the sideline; things could get dicey. It happens.

One has to wonder (don’t worry, I won’t mention that 2020 football might not happen) if Justin might not have more options this year and if that might not open things up a bit. One wonders if a little more familiarity will help him to remain composed when a delayed blitz happens. Further, one wonders if his center might not be a little better at setting protections that account for such things as he also has another year in the system under his belt.

Finally, as good as Justin was at throwing the long ball last year, he did so rarely on 3rd down. Of his 4 completions of 20 or more yards on 3rd down, 2 were on scramble-drills. I counted 6 times all year when the intended receiver’s original route was a deep one. As good as the fly was on other downs, it was run twice on 3rd down all year, only once in conference play. As good as the slant and up route was on other downs, it was run only once on 3rd down all year.

To Recap: How good might the offense be if they take the bubble wrap off of it?

Weird Stat: Although the official Ohio State play-by-play statistics cite several patterns as having been posts in 2019, none of the ones cited were posts. Only 2 posts were thrown on 3rd down all year. They were the only third downs passes thrown against Miami.

What I Wish I’d kept track of: Defensive fronts and coverages against all Ohio State 3rd downs, not just the pass.

Up Next: Resting my fingers

In another thread, Jax said that the biggest loss from last year is JK Dobbins until proven otherwise. I agree with that.

He also said something to the effect of hoping that the Buckeyes don't make up the difference in rushing yardage with Justin Fields' legs. I hope so too.

The three posts I've quoted indicate that the biggest issue the Buckeyes had last year was blitzing in general and delayed-blitzing in particular. If Fields and the offensive line can sort that out and make defenses pay for blitzing the way Haskins and co. did in 2018, then the compensation for lost production from the RB position will come from the passing game and this team wins the NC if Justin stays healthy. If they do not sort that out, then they will not win the NC. That's what this season comes down to. If they sort out the blitz, they're unstoppable. Literally.
 
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In another thread, Jax said that the biggest loss from last year is JK Dobbins until proven otherwise. I agree with that.

He also said something to the effect of hoping that the Buckeyes don't make up the difference in rushing yardage with Justin Fields' legs. I hope so too.

The three posts I've quoted indicate that the biggest issue the Buckeyes had last year was blitzing in general and delayed-blitzing in particular. If Fields and the offensive line can sort that out and make defenses pay for blitzing the way Haskins and co. did in 2018, then the compensation for lost production from the RB position will come from the passing game and this team wins the NC if Justin stays healthy. If they do not sort that out, then they will not win the NC. That's what this season comes down to. If they sort out the blitz, they're unstoppable. Literally.
The biggest loss on team is absolutely Chase Young but since this is the offense thread, I agree on that side it’s JK who was a total stud. I’d take him back over any WR considering the young WR talent.

To me the X factor is Justin Fields year 2 improvement (hopefully) and the OL having a real chance to be better.

JF and the OL as you indicated can do better against the blitz and then.....look out.
 
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Biggest thing I’m looking for, and know it’s a priority for Day and Fields, but taking far fewer sacks.

Fields is obviously very athletic and can make plays with his feet, but he also needs to realize when he’s a sitting duck, and throw it away. His sack numbers were entirely too high for a high level NFL QB prospect.
 
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Biggest think I’m looking for, and know it’s a priority for Day and Fields, but taking far fewer sacks.

Fields is obviously very athletic and can make plays with his feet, but he also needs to realize when he’s a sitting duck, and throw it away. His sack numbers were entirely too high for a high level NFL QB prospect.

sacks are certainly part of it

Only 1 of the sacks that he took on 3rd down happened when the opponent was NOT blitzing. Based on that, and upon having watched every 3rd down in a few days, the sacks were a symptom of the problem handling blitzes, which itself seemed to me to be a symptom of Fields not getting through his progressions as quickly as Haskins did. When you consider the difference in time-in-the-system, that’s not surprising. If Fields can just progress half way from where he was in 2019, to where Haskins was in 2018 in terms of getting through progressions, this offense will score at will on anyone
 
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sacks are certainly part of it

Only 1 of the sacks that he took on 3rd down happened when the opponent was NOT blitzing. Based on that, and upon having watched every 3rd down in a few days, the sacks were a symptom of the problem handling blitzes, which itself seemed to me to be a symptom of Fields not getting through his progressions as quickly as Haskins did. When you consider the difference in time-in-the-system, that’s not surprising. If Fields can just progress half way from where he was in 2019, to where Haskins was in 2018 in terms of getting through progressions, this offense will score at will on anyone
He made noticable improvement between the scUM and Clemson games. I think he's gonna be on another level come 10/23-4
 
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As hard as Fields has been working, and as good as the OL is likely to be, and as absurdly talented as the receiving corps is, “another level” is where expectations for this offense start
Indeed as much as I love Mack and Victor and what they brought to the team especially Victor against Penn St. They weren't exactly world beaters out there. Hopefully 1 if not more if the Frosh can have a Garret Wilson like impact.
 
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