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2020 Team Discussion Thread

Which brings us back to this perhaps being the real motivator:

You and your colleagues are chasing the wrong story. The virus alone is enough to stop the season. But presidents are terrified of players organizing. It’s the paradigm shift to change amateur sports. You potentially lose one season with the virus. You lose the entire framework of your mission statement with players organizing. They need time to figure out how to attack it.”

College football players asserting their rights is the real story to watch

From my perspective, this would have been reason to just go with the season as well as they could. By nixing it as they did in the B1G and PAC they’ve given these players nothing to focus on other than organizing against the establishment.
 
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To put this is perspective....

The Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals, Cincinnati Bearcats, and all Ohio HS’s will play football in the fall.

Ohio State will not.

Amazing.

That sunk in for me after I saw HS fall sports were a go. In no scenario could I conceive that happening. The more I think about it, how the fuck can the B1G tell us we can't have a season if we just play? I'm sure this has been discussed, so I apologize, but what are the repercussions of just playing and telling the B1G to fuck off?
 
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That sunk in for me after I saw HS fall sports were a go. In no scenario could I conceive that happening. The more I think about it, how the fuck can the B1G tell us we can't have a season if we just play? I'm sure this has been discussed, so I apologize, but what are the repercussions of just playing and telling the B1G to fuck off?

You may get your wish....growing reports OSU is recruiting other Big 10 teams to join them in creating a "minor" Big 10. Targeting 5-6 other schools, and would create a home and away schedule. Play most teams twice.

Would be amazing of they pull it off.

I know there's mixed feeling on Jeff Snook, but he has connections. His information below:

BREAKING: OHIO STATE’S A.D. WORKING ON PLAN TO GET FIVE OTHER BIG TEN TEAMS TO PARTICIPATE IN 10-GAME SCHEDULE THIS FALL

BY JEFF SNOOK

No matter what has been stated publicly, Ohio State’s hierarchy hasn’t yet given up on playing football this fall.

Athletic Director Gene Smith, with the full support of school president-elect Kristina Johnson, has been working behind the scenes for the past six days to organize fellow Big Ten conference athletic directors in convincing at least five other university presidents to move forward with a 10-game season to be played among six teams, a source familiar with the movement told me today.

In this proposed format, each team would play the other five Big Ten teams who are participating twice -- once at home and once on the road, beginning on either Sept. 26 or Oct. 3. The season would conclude by mid-December and there would no Big Ten title game in Indianapolis.

As of Tuesday night, the source claimed that Penn State President Eric Barron, Nebraska President Walter “Ted” Carter and Iowa President Bruce Harreld are on board with the new plan. The group hopes to convince two other universities, notably the University of Wisconsin and the University of Michigan, to join them.

“They really need to flip Wisconsin and Michigan to get to six schools and make this thing work,” the source said. “And they have only so much time to do it. They need to make progress and get it done in the next seven to 10 days.”

Wisconsin Athletic Director Barry Alvarez, who coached the Badgers from 1990-2005, is a strong advocate for the plan but has yet to convince UW President Drew Peterson, the source said. Michigan Athletic Director Warde Manual, a former Wolverine player under Bo Schembechler, and coach Jim Harbaugh also want to compete this fall season, but school president Mark Schlissel has so far opposed their efforts. Schlissel, who has a medical degree, spoke in support of “player safety” after the Big Ten’s announcement to cancel last week.

“This thing probably won’t go anywhere unless certain Big Ten presidents – like those at Michigan and Wisconsin – feel the pressure from their alumni, fans and especially their major donors,” the source said. “I understand that several seven- and eight-figure donors at Michigan are very unhappy with the Big Ten’s decision and are putting pressure on their president to change his mind. And they may be threatening to withhold their money.

“If they can get six schools to participate, the remaining Big Ten schools then have the choice to either join them or opt out of the season.”

Many athletic directors and college football coaches, including Smith and Day among others, have contended their players are safer from contracting Covid-19 within the confines, protocols and testing of their athletic facilities than they would be in the general population on campus or in their hometowns.

Several attempts to reach Smith Tuesday night for comment were unsuccessful.

Smith’s efforts in this new plan also were helped somewhat when Ohio Governor Mike DeWine earlier Tuesday approved high school football to be played this fall, meaning a powerful duo of the state governor and the university president agree on the issue.

Sources Monday night said that the Big Ten presidents never voted on the issue before the conference adjourned its meeting last week and it was announced through new commissioner Kevin Warren that they were canceling the fall season. During the session among the presidents, Warren spoke often of preferring this season be pushed to the spring. And he repeated those thoughts on the Big Ten Network immediately following the announcement. The PAC 12 then cancelled its season within an hour.

The following morning, on Wednesday, I am told, Smith called Warren to see if there was any path for the Buckeyes to play this season and was shot down immediately. Smith then told the media later that day that the Ohio State athletic department would support the Big Ten’s decision to begin preparing for a spring football season. But Smith had not given up on salvaging the fall season, going to work immediately to gauge other schools’ interest in his plan.

Nebraska Athletic Director Bill Moos and coach Scott Frost also were very critical of the Big Ten’s decision, leading Warren to publicly rebuke the Cornhuskers’ leadership the following day. That day, the Big 12, ACC and SEC repeated their plans to continue with practices and its plans to play the fall season. The ACC plans to begin it schedule the weekend of Sept. 12, and the Big 12 and SEC are scheduled to kick off on Sept. 26.

In the past five days, parents of players at Iowa, Nebraska, Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State have been very vocal in their opposition to the Big Ten’s cancellation. Several have organized and sent letters to Warren’s office. Several others, led by Randy Wade, Ohio State cornerback Shaun Wade's father, also had planned to confront Warren Friday in Chicago. However, one source said Tuesday that Warren has yet to relocate to the Big Ten’s Chicago offices from his home in Minneapolis, where he worked as the chief operating officer of the NFL’s Minnesota Vikings until he was hired five months ago to replace longtime commissioner Jim Delany.

Johnson, who succeeded former President Michael Drake and “pushed hard” during last week’s Big Ten presidential meeting to have teams continue practicing and then have a delayed start to the season from the original Sept. 3-5 kickoff the Big Ten had announced just six days earlier.

“Gene Smith, to his credit, created this grass-roots movement to get this done,” the source said. “He was heartbroken for Coach (Ryan) Day and those players and he has the new president’s full support.”

Several sources have said that Day has been almost inconsolable in private, knowing he had a team that was potentially as good as any in recent years of college football. The Buckeyes finished 13-1 in his first full season, losing 29-23 to Clemson in the College Football Playoff semifinal in Glendale, Ariz.

Critics have been many – including former Ohio State coach Urban Meyer to current Alabama coach Nick Saban -- of the Big Ten’s latest plan to play football both in the spring and in the fall of 2021. Many of the league’s top NFL-eligible talent, such as Ohio State quarterback Justin Fields and Wade, likely would opt out of a spring season so close to their upcoming NFL rookie seasons. And underclassmen would face the burden of playing two seasons within a 10- or 11-month period, depending when the Big Ten would decide to begin its spring season.

“No chance,” Meyer said on the Big Ten Network last week. "You can't ask a player to play two seasons in a calendar year. When I first heard that, I said that. I don't see that happening when I hear that. The body, in my very strong opinion, is not made to play two seasons within a calendar year. That's 2,000 repetitive reps, and football is a physical, tough sport. So, I don't, really don't, see that happening.”

Saban said Tuesday, “I think one of the real consequences of this is if you’re a junior or a senior and you have an NFL grade, are you going to play in the spring? Or is that going to become sort of a JV season with a lot of these juniors and seniors opting out? …

“I’m in no way judging what anybody’s trying to do or not do. But our medical experts here thought that we could try to do this [and] create a safe environment and see if we can play. And I think that’s what we’re doing, and I think they’ve done a wonderful job of that.”

There is no doubt that if the SEC, as well as the ACC and Big 12, do pull it off and play this season – and the Big Ten does not – there will be long-lasting ramifications for the Big Ten.

“That’s the Big Ten’s worst nightmare,” the source said. “And Gene Smith is very smart, smart enough to realize just how bad it would be in the long run.”
 
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I know there's mixed feeling on Jeff Snook, but he has connections. His information below:

He says he has connections, which are always anonymous. For instance, it's ludicrous to think that any members of the Board were talking to him after the Urban situation, and that was evidenced by the fact that their subsequent actions towards Drake (glowing revue and maximum bonus) directly contradicted what his allegedly iron clad sources on the Board had been telling him. He was absolutely wrong about the fundraising effect of the Urban suspension and retirement. He was absolutely wrong about Tressel being any kind of candidate for President.

What Snook does is throw shit at the wall (uniformly in line with the desires of his mouth breathing followers on Ozone) with the "my sources tell me" background, and if it sticks, he comes off as some serious insider type guy. If it turns out to be bullshit, everyone forgets, and he just moves on to the next "my sources tell me" story line.

Perhaps he has some athletic department sources with regards to things like recruiting or the preseason depth chart. With regards to sources on important university-wide decision making coming out of Bricker Hall or the Board much less the Big Ten offices in Rosemont, I think he's utterly full of shit, and his track record of failure backs me up on this.
 
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He says he has connections, which are always anonymous. For instance, it's ludicrous to think that any members of the Board were talking to him after the Urban situation, and that was evidenced by the fact that their subsequent actions towards Drake (glowing revue and maximum bonus) directly contradicted what his allegedly iron clad sources on the Board had been telling him. He was absolutely wrong about the fundraising effect of the Urban suspension and retirement. He was absolutely wrong about Tressel being any kind of candidate for President.

What Snook does is throw shit at the wall (uniformly in line with the desires of his mouth breathing followers on Ozone) with the "my sources tell me" background, and if it sticks, he comes off as some serious insider type guy. If it turns out to be bullshit, everyone forgets, and he just moves on to the next "my sources tell me" story line.

Perhaps he has some athletic department sources with regards to things like recruiting or the preseason depth chart. With regards to sources on important university-wide decision making coming out of Bricker Hall or the Board much less the Big Ten offices in Rosemont, I think he's utterly full of shit, and his track record of failure backs me up on this.

And that's a fair take on him.

I do believe Gene Smith is actively recruiting other Big 10 teams to go forward behind the scenes. There's no doubt many schools want to play, and I believe there is momentum towards having a season.
 
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He says he has connections, which are always anonymous. For instance, it's ludicrous to think that any members of the Board were talking to him after the Urban situation, and that was evidenced by the fact that their subsequent actions towards Drake (glowing revue and maximum bonus) directly contradicted what his allegedly iron clad sources on the Board had been telling him. He was absolutely wrong about the fundraising effect of the Urban suspension and retirement. He was absolutely wrong about Tressel being any kind of candidate for President.

What Snook does is throw shit at the wall (uniformly in line with the desires of his mouth breathing followers on Ozone) with the "my sources tell me" background, and if it sticks, he comes off as some serious insider type guy. If it turns out to be bullshit, everyone forgets, and he just moves on to the next "my sources tell me" story line.

Perhaps he has some athletic department sources with regards to things like recruiting or the preseason depth chart. With regards to sources on important university-wide decision making coming out of Bricker Hall or the Board much less the Big Ten offices in Rosemont, I think he's utterly full of shit, and his track record of failure backs me up on this.
I mean, I understand this. But I want to believe, so can someone with real sources please verify this? Thanks.
 
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To put this is perspective....

The Cleveland Browns, Cincinnati Bengals, Cincinnati Bearcats, and all Ohio HS’s will play football in the fall.

Ohio State will not.

Amazing.
As to the bold, that is not at all true. Columbus City Schools, for example, are still not going to play as of right now. Being allowed to play and actually playing aren't the same.
 
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That sunk in for me after I saw HS fall sports were a go. In no scenario could I conceive that happening. The more I think about it, how the fuck can the B1G tell us we can't have a season if we just play? I'm sure this has been discussed, so I apologize, but what are the repercussions of just playing and telling the B1G to fuck off?
There may be any number of contractual obligations that may be put into issue if Ohio State "just plays" Whether that's agreements with the B1G, or Fox, or Nike or whoever else... it's not as easy as saying "fuck it, we're playing"
 
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And doctors in the B1G, PAC and Ivy, said it can't be done. So where does that leave us? And nobody seriously thinks the SEC, B12 and half the ACC is playing because of what doctors said one way or the other. They're playing because of a combination (confluence?) of institutional priorities and culture and regional/state politics.
I could write 4 paragraphs agreeing with this, but I will just leave it as "yup"
 
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There may be any number of contractual obligations that may be put into issue if Ohio State "just plays" Whether that's agreements with the B1G, or Fox, or Nike or whoever else... it's not as easy as saying "fuck it, we're playing"

I figured that might be the case, didn't know if we had any with the B1G such as Bylaws or what not where we can't just up and leave the conference. I get the feeling the TV networks, Nike, etc. would work with us in any way possible to not lose out on the revenue though.
 
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I figured that might be the case, didn't know if we had any with the B1G such as Bylaws or what not where we can't just up and leave the conference. I get the feeling the TV networks, Nike, etc. would work with us in any way possible to not lose out on the revenue though.
I imagine there are agreements in place between the member institutions and the B1G, though I can't say what the terms may be and etc. But, as to your second sentence, you are probably right. I suppose the issue would be restructuring or otherwise modifying those deals. I don't have any idea the feasibility of that, but I'd imagine some lawyer would be happy to work on it ... even if at a premium :wink:
 
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I imagine there are agreements in place between the member institutions and the B1G, though I can't say what the terms may be and etc. But, as to your second sentence, you are probably right. I suppose the issue would be restructuring or otherwise modifying those deals. I don't have any idea the feasibility of that, but I'd imagine some lawyer would be happy to work on it ... even if at a premium :wink:

This lawyer will do it pro bono if we can have a season :cool:
 
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