2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

[kujirakira]

You don't think its too soon to judge Grinch or Taver? TBH, Sheffield and Arnette were suspect last year. Okudah is honestly better than them both, and Wade could be in line with him, the dropoff at CB was to be expected, IMO

I think 'not impressed' is a fair evaluation without having listening devices planted around WHAC.
C-

Theyll all get 2yrs anyway.
Maybe it gets better when Schiano finds a HC gig and there's a unified approach, but seeing Grinch (presumably) keep White on the bench has significantly lowered my expectations.

 

[bukIpower]

I am curious if Sheffield would be playing had he stayed at Bama.....

No.

Watch this and weep.

This is exactly what we don't have any more. The reason why is we are never in position to make a play on the ball.

The lack of physicality is the most glaring thing about this defense. Yes, safties have taken many a bad angle and our linebackers are often lost in coverage, but the violence you see when you watch tsun or Bama just isn’t there at all.

When I watched the LSU/Alabama game it was beautiful to watch the tenacity they each played with up front. Even watching Alabama's offensive was something with how nasty they were.

IMO it's a difference in athlete particularly up front. I have no idea how they find these 280-300 pound defensive lineman who are big and fast. LBs who go 235-260 who can run.

We are geared differently with a big focus on pure speed and not much else. 260 pound ends and 280 pound DTs are going to get pushed around. We are seeing that this year and have for a few years I think.

I'm tired of always wanting speed. Give me a 280 pound end who is a step slower but is more powerful any day.

Besides if youre 280 running a 4.8 there isnt much difference than a 260 pounder running a 4.7.

IMO stop recruiting for combine numbers and get some football players.

For example in HS I was a powerful kid. The strongest on the team by a mile but I was our fullback. Junior year they made me a guard on the offensive line and I got pushed around by kids who out weighed me by 280 pounds (I was about 205). Point being? Numbers are great but having pure size makes a big difference.

Would love to see what Chase could do playing at 275-280. Also would love to see our DTs worry less about penetration and focus on occupying.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

We are currently allowing more points per game (23.8) than any season under Meyer. Here are the scoring defense stats for each season under Meyer, along with scores of 24 or more allowed for a given season (I used 24 points as a cutoff because it's essentially our current scoring defense ppg):

2012: 22.8 ppg (28, 38, 49)
2013: 22.6 ppg (34, 24, 30, 24, 35, 41, 34, 40)
2014: 22.0 ppg (35, 28, 24, 24 (2 OT), 37, 24, 27, 28, 35)
2015: 15.1 ppg (24, 27, 28, 28)
2016: 15.5 ppg (24, 27 (2 OT), 31)
2017: 19.0 ppg (31, 55, 37)
2018: 23.8 ppg (31, 28, 26, 26, 49, 31)

So as bad as we may have thought last year was, we gave up more than 24 points only three times. The worst years were 2013 (8 of 14 games, or 57%, allowing 24+ points) and 2014 (9 of 15 games, or 60%, allowing 24+ points). We got away with the 2014 defense because we were scoring 45 points a game, and in fact we score less than 31 points in only one game (the home loss to VT in game #2).

Right now, we have allowed 24+ points in 6 of 9 games (67%), and we are not scoring 45 ppg like we did in 2014 (30, 20, and 36 in the last 3 games) to cover that. We also just allowed the second highest amount of points for this season to a bad--albeit improving--Nebraska team, on our field. The defense had better get markedly better by Nov 24th or we're going to get plungered.

 

[pnuts34]

To me you can eliminate Schiano given his track record. That leaves Grinch, Davis and Taver

Taver/CB's: I just don't see the talent in Arnette and Sheffield. Wade and Okudah are a year away. Let's cal him neutral

Davis/LB's: don't get me fucking started. Important to find out who the fuck took 9 weeks to figure out the LB's at the heels of the DL on every play thing wasn't working.

Grinch/S's: I was neutral until I saw White play yesterday. Now I wonder what exactly in the fuck he's been doing.

If I am Urban, I see what Schiano is going to do and if it's
stay: then I nuke any and all defensive position coaches not named Larry Johnson
go: then I nuke any and all defensive position coaches not named Larry Johnson and raid CFB for the best and brightest that can work together. I would have said keep Grinch as DC given all the accolades he came with but the B White thing has just blown my mind.

Why wouldn't you go after a young LB coach either way?
And I was led to believe that Schiano also coached the S position, why is he getting no blame for waiting so long on White? For all we know, Grinch could've wanted White, but the DC(Schiano) preferred Wint/Pryor.

I keep grinch either way. He needs time without Schiano around to prove himself. Both he and schaino are safeties coaches. I hate the Co DC titles. Nuke Davis,Schaino and Tavers. Keep LJ and Grinch. Remember he was about to land at Bama, Saban wanted him badly last year

I'd keep everyone but Davis and Schiano. Find a young, up and coming LB coach, and either do 1 of 3 things for DC:
1. Give position to LJsr, and have him also coach DL
2. Pay a name coach from a struggling Power 5 program(i.e. Diaz from Miami)
3. Find a young, hungry kid from a lower tier school looking to make a name for himself and isn't afraid of the challenge

 

[Jaxbuck]

Why wouldn't you go after a young LB coach either way?
And I was led to believe that Schiano also coached the S position, why is he getting no blame for waiting so long on White? For all we know, Grinch could've wanted White, but the DC(Schiano) preferred Wint/Pryor.

If I wasn't clear, Davis goes in my world no matter what.

Fair point on Schiano and B White

 

[AuTX Buckeye]

Why wouldn't you go after a young LB coach either way?
And I was led to believe that Schiano also coached the S position, why is he getting no blame for waiting so long on White? For all we know, Grinch could've wanted White, but the DC(Schiano) preferred Wint/Pryor.


I'd keep everyone but Davis and Schiano. Find a young, up and coming LB coach, and either do 1 of 3 things for DC:
1. Give position to LJsr, and have him also coach DL
2. Pay a name coach from a struggling Power 5 program(i.e. Diaz from Miami)
3. Find a young, hungry kid from a lower tier school looking to make a name for himself and isn't afraid of the challenge

Fine with #2 but stay the F away from Diaz. I saw his train wreck at Tejas

Also two back 4 DCs is a bad idea which is what we have now. To be honest you make grinch and LJ CO-DC because Urbs is afraid of the Mullins affect and then you hire the best possible Young LB coach available.

 

[cjmik_75]

The 2013 defense allowed 22.6 ppg amd 374.6 ypg.

The 2017 defense is allowing 23.5 ppg and 394 ypg.

Statistically, 2018 is worse and it seems to actually be getting worse as.the year goes on. If Nebraska didn't commit several unforced errors, they probably would have went well over 500 yards and 40 points.

The 2018 defense is the worst I've ever seen in Columbus, and also (if you believe the recruiting rankings) the most talented. So, unless all of these 4 and 5 star kids were grossly overrated, we have a serious problem with the coaching. Things like that cannot fester at a program with the expectations at Ohio State. Heads (multiple) need to roll in January.

^^^
THIS.

 

[Fungo Squiggly]

We are currently allowing more points per game (23.8) than any season under Meyer. Here are the scoring defense stats for each season under Meyer, along with scores of 24 or more allowed for a given season (I used 24 points as a cutoff because it's essentially our current scoring defense ppg):

2012: 22.8 ppg (28, 38, 49)
2013: 22.6 ppg (34, 24, 30, 24, 35, 41, 34, 40)
2014: 22.0 ppg (35, 28, 24, 24 (2 OT), 37, 24, 27, 28, 35)
2015: 15.1 ppg (24, 27, 28, 28)
2016: 15.5 ppg (24, 27 (2 OT), 31)
2017: 19.0 ppg (31, 55, 37)
2018: 23.8 ppg (31, 28, 26, 26, 49, 31)

So as bad as we may have thought last year was, we gave up more than 24 points only three times. The worst years were 2013 (8 of 14 games, or 57%, allowing 24+ points) and 2014 (9 of 15 games, or 60%, allowing 24+ points). We got away with the 2014 defense because we were scoring 45 points a game, and in fact we score less than 31 points in only one game (the home loss to VT in game #2).

Right now, we have allowed 24+ points in 6 of 9 games (67%), and we are not scoring 45 ppg like we did in 2014 (30, 20, and 36 in the last 3 games) to cover that. We also just allowed the second highest amount of points for this season to a bad--albeit improving--Nebraska team, on our field. The defense had better get markedly better by Nov 24th or we're going to get plungered.

Ugh. That 2015 team only allowed 15 ppg......unbelievable that they found a way to lose a game with all the talent on offense and that defense.

 

[Jagdaddy]

Philosophical question. Is is appropriate to have a thread about something that doesn't exist?

 

[cjmik_75]

Philosophical question. Is is appropriate to have a thread about something that doesn't exist?

Maybe time for a thread title update (Missing).

 

[Best Buckeye]

Philosophical question. Is is appropriate to have a thread about something that doesn't exist?

Only if its about me.......

 

[Jake]

Ugh. That 2015 team only allowed 15 ppg......unbelievable that they found a way to lose a game with all the talent on offense and that defense.

I think that team really could've made it back-to-back NCs, but losing at home to Sparty's back up QBs was inexcusable.

 

[MaxBuck]

... as bad as we may have thought last year was, we gave up more than 24 points only three times.

We gave up 55 once, which is IMO a far more important statistic.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

We gave up 55 once, which is IMO a far more important statistic.

And we gave up 49 points once this year, and the season isn't over yet.

 

[Bestbuck36]

Ok so I really paid attention to the Bama/LSU game from there Defense standpoint - kind of a scouting situation. I now realize why Alabama's defense is great every year. It's not just the fact that they get great recruits but that matchup zone defense that Saban plays allows for them to mesh together so much better than just a man defense does.
The man elements combined with some coverage is brilliant. I'm sold. You don't have to give up the aggressive nature while covering weaknesses