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2018 tOSU Defense Discussion

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OHSportsFan said:
True, and this defense isn't making it difficult. It's one or 2 steps and fire to a free-released receiver.

I also don't want to give the Buckeye Dline a free pass in all this. I know these are quick throws, but there's been hardly any disruption the last couple weeks. They can help get hands up and the QB's feet moving. Dre'mont Jones has been the only impressive one the last 2 games. Anyway, it all seems disjointed on that side. Some good, some bad from each unit, but definitely not a cohesive group on the same page.

There is something to be said about the 2nd halves though. One reason, I'm not entirely doom and gloom is the coaches and players have been doing something right there. No clue what goes on during the week- opposing coaches are scripting their offenses that well? OSU isn't disguising anything or mixing it up to start? Whatever is on film...opponents know what they want, at least to start. Credit to whatever happens at halftimes (and also credit to missed FGs).
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They need to get the LB's off the line of scrimmage. Its giving the Offense a clear passing lane on slants as well as providing no one on the second level to stop the RB when he breaks through the line of scrimmage.
 
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sparcboxbuck said:
Well, he's arguably had one of the best secondaries in CFB for the past four years.

I think I posted something in Shef's thread... I get what they are doing, and why they are doing it. But, to your point (reading between the lines), perhaps they don't have the required personnel to pull it off this year. And why I said, that I'm hoping that we see some adjustments to that scheme.

There's a LOT of teams out there who don't have the kind of players Schiano has at his disposal... and they run very competent secondaries that only struggle against QBs like ours... but for the most part, leverage the bet that the opponent's QB can't be perfect so they'll win more often than not. I hope that someone comes to that realization before it's not too late.
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This is something that I've been wondering as well. You bring up a great point that most QBs can't be perfect but I'm wondering if the reason Schiano keeps sticking with his style is because, in the playoffs, you're eventually going run into at least two of these QBs. Tua is putting up video game numbers and Trevor Lawrence looks like he's eventually going to get there. Notre Dame's new QB has looked excellent since they've went to him. You saw against USC that Schiano's defense by the end of the year mostly made first round pick Darnold look foolish. Just think that Schiano is trying to force the defense to get to that level eventually in hopes of competing with the top-tier passing games. Or it could just stubborn pride. Most likely a mixture of both.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Just now watching it for the first time and here is something I saw right away. This is the second run play of their second series, the previous run was out of the wildcat.

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Just like we talk about the numbers in the box being a major issue when running on offense, look at what they have created for themselves pre snap on defense.

Offense has 6 blockers + 1 runner + a non run threat QB

Defense has 6 defenders for the 6 blockers, runner is free.

This play is almost guaranteed to hit (and it does)
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And me in B Deck screaming my damn head off "it's a run, it's a run. Get up in the damn box!!"
No shit by the 3rd qtr guy next to me asked why I wasn't a coach. I said it's not that hard do see the holes. Good conversation followed. Best thing about going to games in my opinion.

Alas, the millionaire's in the booth did not agree. :horse:
 
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Another thing I've noticed about the safeties, it seems they have a hell of a long way to run to make up on some of those plays they arrive late.
I have wondered if it was scheme that had them too far out of the play or recognition and speed to the ball. We are spoiled by guys like Malik Hooker who could cover about 60 yards back there. Maybe they should be adjusting this scheme to the talents back there instead of continuing to square peg/round hole for the DB's.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Another thing I've noticed about the safeties, it seems they have a hell of a long way to run to make up on some of those plays they arrive late.
I have wondered if it was scheme that had them too far out of the play or recognition and speed to the ball. We are spoiled by guys like Malik Hooker who could cover about 60 yards back there. Maybe they should be adjusting this scheme to the talents back there instead of continuing to square peg/round hole for the DB's.
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scarletngray said:
They need to get the LB's off the line of scrimmage. Its giving the Offense a clear passing lane on slants as well as providing no one on the second level to stop the RB when he breaks through the line of scrimmage.
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IMO Both are related. We like to to move right before the snap and while that may help confuse the offense if ran properly it also makes it more difficult for an aggressive defense too.

1. I hate the LBs at the LOS unless it's third down and we are trying to disguise our blitzes. Like you said it helps them see the slant better and more importantly it's allowing lineman to get hands on our backers.

Another thing it does is it doesn't afford our backers the opportunity to read and react properly. If they're in tight its nearly impossible to read a play correctly (hard to do it anyways if someone his hitting you in the face).

2. Also our safety play is confusing too with how much we like to rotate or bail right before the snap. It's great if you rotate to where the play is running but if you guess wrong you're asking a safety to reverse course and cover a shit load of ground.

I would love to see us just play things simple as we were called in 2016. We were simple but we were fast and never out of position. Leave the backers at a standard 5 yard depth to allow them to flow to the ball and stop moving the Safetys so much.

Who cares if they know where we are going to be! It didnt hurt us in 2016 and by doing all this pre snap movement its often times taking us out of the play. Dumb things down and let this teams speed and abilities win the plays.

We are better than anyone we play straight up and we dont need to be sophisticated to win. Just let the kids dominate.
 
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bukIpower said:
IMO Both are related. We like to to move right before the snap and while that may help confuse the offense if ran properly it also makes it more difficult for an aggressive defense too.

1. I hate the LBs at the LOS unless it's third down and we are trying to disguise our blitzes. Like you said it helps them see the slant better and more importantly it's allowing lineman to get hands on our backers.

Another thing it does is it doesn't afford our backers the opportunity to read and react properly. If they're in tight its nearly impossible to read a play correctly (hard to do it anyways if someone his hitting you in the face).
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That's what I've been wondering about, too. I get they are trying to get the LBs into the backfield for negative plays, but it seems like if they take one wrong step(or get caught up by an OL), they are completely eliminated from the play because the RB is already past them.
 
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You guys have me watching again just to watch the LBs...LOL! Second snap from scrimmage MN has and already I'm scratching my head. Just watch Tuf. Now I'm not an Xs and Os person, but someone help me out with this. Werner backs off into coverage leaving Tuf to defend either the TE or the RB on that entire side if the field. Tuf literally runs straight into the TE who is clearly there to block and the RB runs free around the edge. Hilliard had to try to run all the way from the opposite side of the formation to try and track him down. RB ran 12 yards before any buckeye touched him.

Just not the silver bullets I'm used to enjoying over the years.
 
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Fungo Squiggly said:
That's what I've been wondering about, too. I get they are trying to get the LBs into the backfield for negative plays, but it seems like if they take one wrong step(or get caught up by an OL), they are completely eliminated from the play because the RB is already past them.
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Yeah that's what I don't get... right now to me it seems like we are guessing and it seems like we are guessing wrong a lot.

Sometimes it's best to just stay at home and read the play instead of always attacking. I'd especially like to see us play more base on early downs.
 
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buckeyes_rock said:
You guys have me watching again just to watch the LBs...LOL! Second snap from scrimmage MN has and already I'm scratching my head. Just watch Tuf. Now I'm not an Xs and Os person, but someone help me out with this. Werner backs off into coverage leaving Tuf to defend either the TE or the RB on that entire side if the field. Tuf literally runs straight into the TE who is clearly there to block and the RB runs free around the edge. Hilliard had to try to run all the way from the opposite side of the formation to try and track him down. RB ran 12 yards before any buckeye touched him.

Just not the silver bullets I'm used to enjoying over the years.
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Funny you mention that play because it was that play that frustrated me the most. The linebackers if I recall were shifted left with Hilliard literally standing between the left tackle and gaurd. Thats what happens when you want to cheat formationally instead of playing it honestly. Guess wrong and its easy pickings and that's exactly what happened. Credit to Hilliard for getting there who I really want to see more.
 
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Systems_id said:
This is something that I've been wondering as well. You bring up a great point that most QBs can't be perfect but I'm wondering if the reason Schiano keeps sticking with his style is because, in the playoffs, you're eventually going run into at least two of these QBs. Tua is putting up video game numbers and Trevor Lawrence looks like he's eventually going to get there. Notre Dame's new QB has looked excellent since they've went to him. You saw against USC that Schiano's defense by the end of the year mostly made first round pick Darnold look foolish. Just think that Schiano is trying to force the defense to get to that level eventually in hopes of competing with the top-tier passing games. Or it could just stubborn pride. Most likely a mixture of both.
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First. Teams with less talent can hide deficiencies by scheming around them and making it easier. That’s what 95% of college teams do. But that is very risky when you play a championship offense. This defense has a high learning curve. But if they get it then it will pay off.

Second. I’ll be impressed with Tua when he plays a team with a pulse. I mean anyone.
Trevor struggles against moderate competition. But he is young and will probable be great the next 2 years.
 
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