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Pretty much any QB can make that throw if you let them have it.
Add Wade to the list of guys who need to work on how to defend it.
You simply shade half a man to the inside and your man either has to tie up and fight with you which will jack up timing and probably get the QB sacked OR the guy has to redirect and force the QB to read the adjustment and make the more difficult and longer to execute throw.
The downside to that is you are giving a pretty free and easy release for outside leverage
with the OSU DL it is a gamble I will take every time.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
While not playoff or conference winner threats, Indiana and Minnesota are both legitimate Power 5 conference teams (yes, I know all about Minny's walk-on QB and freshman RB). B1G teams shouldn't just roll over for us and most of them come to play, at least for a half. The second half of each game has been more impressive and is what's keeping me on the ledge for now.
Overall, though, on both sides of the ball, I am concerned that this team seems a little soft. Talented and athletic, but soft and that's going to start to matter soon. Both m-schools are going to show up and punch us in the mouth. We will need to punch back hard. Even at State Penn I didn't really see that.
Overall, though, on both sides of the ball, I am concerned that this team seems a little soft. Talented and athletic, but soft and that's going to start to matter soon. Both m-schools are going to show up and punch us in the mouth. We will need to punch back hard. Even at State Penn I didn't really see that.
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OhioState001
Tressel Loyalist
I heard Minnesota was like 110th in total offense. Yea in no circumstance should that team be putting 400 yards on us
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Systems_id
Head Coach
Very interesting read. Seems like the gist is Schiano's scheme only works when you have arguably the best secondary ever. Anything less and it's a shit show.
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What about dropping one of the DL into the throwing lane when the LB is vacating as they seem to do? Seems like this is something we did a few years ago if I recall.
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absolutely something you can do
have to be judicious with it obviously because you don't want to take a Bosa or Young away from rushing the passer
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OHSportsFan
Fan of Ohio Sports in Indy
True, and this defense isn't making it difficult. It's one or 2 steps and fire to a free-released receiver.
I also don't want to give the Buckeye Dline a free pass in all this. I know these are quick throws, but there's been hardly any disruption the last couple weeks. They can help get hands up and the QB's feet moving. Dre'mont Jones has been the only impressive one the last 2 games. Anyway, it all seems disjointed on that side. Some good, some bad from each unit, but definitely not a cohesive group on the same page.
There is something to be said about the 2nd halves though. One reason, I'm not entirely doom and gloom is the coaches and players have been doing something right there. No clue what goes on during the week- opposing coaches are scripting their offenses that well? OSU isn't disguising anything or mixing it up to start? Whatever is on film...opponents know what they want, at least to start. Credit to whatever happens at halftimes (and also credit to missed FGs).
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If the Buckeyes plan to use this week's game plan against Moore, then I am not even going to turn the game on. I have to imagine he will see bracket coverage most of the day.
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my guess with the first half stuff is that Schiano's defense is very plain. They win on superior athletes out executing the opponent.
Opponents scheme that for a half and then, even though this year's talent isn't on par with recent vintage's, the coaches make good enough adjustments and the damn fine athletes they have find a way to get it done.
I am still somewhat positive if Bosa can return but overall I fear the back 7 just doesn't have enough lead in their collective pencil this year.
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OSU had 2-2.5 DEs heading into the season:
1) Was the best player in america. In street clothes.
2) A veteran backup with some reps (who had not really proven himself pre-2018). In street clothes.
3) An ultra talented, green backup DE. Now the best DE and struggling with the small things.
Being left with half a DE is a bad recipe for success with an iffy 2nd and 3rd level.
Lewis and Hubbard were major departures, but you can make a strong argument that Jalyn Holmes is a bigger loss. He gave them such great versatility inside, particularly in the rushmen package. OSU also only has 2 higher level DTs and both are banged up too.
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TampaBuckeyes
Assistant Coach
I’m good with the defense getting torched against middling opponents. It exposes a weakness, and I’d rather see that weakness exposed now than in championship games. Time to fix it. Or at least mitigate it. They’ve shown in the second halves that they can learn to correct. They are just I’ll prepared for the offenses that show up. Partly bad prep, partly teams bringing out new looks for a big game. By week 12, there are no hidden playbooks.
It’s better than having a huge weakness on offense that can’t be corrected, like not being able to throw the ball downfield. The last few years that could not have been corrected with a running quarterback and smith as a receiver coach.
It’s better than having a huge weakness on offense that can’t be corrected, like not being able to throw the ball downfield. The last few years that could not have been corrected with a running quarterback and smith as a receiver coach.
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bukIpower
Head Coach
Rewatched the gopher game and I'm not as down as most are on the defense.. just a few things.
1. We were down more than half out starters for most of the game.
2. I actually give Minnesota credit they did a fantastic job blocking on a lot of their better plays. Sometimes they get you and that's ok.
3. Our DBs need to take away the inside with their alignment because playing it straight up isn't working. The simple slant ruined many great situations for our defense and this just can't happen. This is the most used route in football so to struggle against it is frustrating.
4. The pass interferences to extend one of their scoring drives on 3rd and 9 on Shaun Wade was complete bull shit. So I think they were given 7 of their 14 points.
5. Sit Browning. Once Harrison comes back it should go Werner, Borland , Harrison, and Hilliard should be the next in. Browning should've just red shirted because right now he gives us absolutely nothing but liability. No doubt he can be a star but he's not ready. What about a rush end? He's long and it would give us another quick pass rusher. We won't do it but IMO we should consider it.
For me this defense is keeping teams off the scoreboard, they're beat to shit, and it misses the best player in college football. IMO we've played some pretty good offenses too with OSU lite, PED, Indiana, TCU and Minnesota so give them some credit. They're fairly good offenses and playing against an OSU defense that is missing some players with many more playing hurt.
Get healthy, take away the slant (their targeting Wade in the slot right now), and continue to stop the big busts. We arent as far off as most think.
1. We were down more than half out starters for most of the game.
2. I actually give Minnesota credit they did a fantastic job blocking on a lot of their better plays. Sometimes they get you and that's ok.
3. Our DBs need to take away the inside with their alignment because playing it straight up isn't working. The simple slant ruined many great situations for our defense and this just can't happen. This is the most used route in football so to struggle against it is frustrating.
4. The pass interferences to extend one of their scoring drives on 3rd and 9 on Shaun Wade was complete bull shit. So I think they were given 7 of their 14 points.
5. Sit Browning. Once Harrison comes back it should go Werner, Borland , Harrison, and Hilliard should be the next in. Browning should've just red shirted because right now he gives us absolutely nothing but liability. No doubt he can be a star but he's not ready. What about a rush end? He's long and it would give us another quick pass rusher. We won't do it but IMO we should consider it.
For me this defense is keeping teams off the scoreboard, they're beat to shit, and it misses the best player in college football. IMO we've played some pretty good offenses too with OSU lite, PED, Indiana, TCU and Minnesota so give them some credit. They're fairly good offenses and playing against an OSU defense that is missing some players with many more playing hurt.
Get healthy, take away the slant (their targeting Wade in the slot right now), and continue to stop the big busts. We arent as far off as most think.
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zincfinger
Gert Frobe-approved
A running quarterback who owns virtually every Ohio State passing record and half of the conference passing records.
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sparcboxbuck
What happened to my ¤cash?
Well, he's arguably had one of the best secondaries in CFB for the past four years.
I think I posted something in Shef's thread... I get what they are doing, and why they are doing it. But, to your point (reading between the lines), perhaps they don't have the required personnel to pull it off this year. And why I said, that I'm hoping that we see some adjustments to that scheme.
There's a LOT of teams out there who don't have the kind of players Schiano has at his disposal... and they run very competent secondaries that only struggle against QBs like ours... but for the most part, leverage the bet that the opponent's QB can't be perfect so they'll win more often than not. I hope that someone comes to that realization before it's not too late.
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