Disagree. With all of our faults, OSU is for damn sure top 4(if not top 2-3) in the country! I'd put our team up against anyone not named Bama on a neutral field
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Yeah neutral field I’m not really sure who I’d take straight up over is not named Alabama. Georgia just got skullfucked by the first good team they’ve faced in LSU. LSU struggled mighty LA Tech for awhile and got beat by a pretty middling Florida team. Clemson should’ve lost to Syracuse. Notre Dame should’ve lost to both Pitt and Vanderbilt.
Edit: Vanderbilt not Syracuse although ND could very well lose to ‘Cuse.
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Yesterday I saw a lot of regression and new problems pop up. After sleeping on it, I think that the defensive playbook was simplified more so for personnel reasons than as an attempt to re-define what our defensive philosophy is. Health is going to be the defining factor of this unit.
I think we all understand what a healthy Dline brings to this team and its ability to cover for the weaknesses of the other units. Saw the young guys losing a lot of one one battles in the run game. With how slow developing that dive was at times, you would hope to see some more wins there.
For example, we didn't have Harrison at LB, who has been playing as well as anyone at that unit (not the highest praise, I know). He struggled getting McSorely down at times, but I think that was more a testament to McSorley than a failing of Malik. In the middle, I am not sure how much of this is injury and how much is physical limitations, but Tuf is an excellent LB in the box, but is severely limited in his ability to play in space. Hilliard had some of the best plays of the game yesterday, but I also noticed him have a few missed assignments. I want to think his season trends in a similar way to Raekwon's did when he was a freshman - trajectory wise, more than ceiling wise - but am hesitant because Justin has been around for awhile and it hasn't clicked yet. I would like to see him take more snaps in the middle when Malik is back.
I don't see as much of a drop-off at CB as I am reading about on this board. Yes, we definitely don't have a top 5 pick this year, but I think that overall, we have been winning battles at a similar rate as in the past. I can go back to game threads since Meyer switched the defense in 2013 and search "face guarding" and "turn your head around" and find enough posts to write a novel.
At safety/nickel, man I hope we stay healthy. I think the defense can be ok with Pryor/Fuller/Wade filling these spots. Pryor will be the weak link on this side of the ball 99% of the time he is on the field, but I think he has shown flashes and is improving. Haven't rewatched game, but he only time he jumped out to me in a bad way was on the WR screen where he slipped and missed tackle (sure I am forgetting a couple of miscues). Wint, on the other hand, has no business being on the field and sticks out like a sore thumb when he is asked to be on the field. If he needs to play meaningful snaps, well, I'd rather not think about it.
If we get our personnel back, I think we can have a high pressure defense that is above average. I'm not trying to sugar coat our issues - I mean, I don't plan to write a wall of text calling out the failings in our passing game after this. I am however, not ready to throw in the towel on the 2018 unit just yet. I expect the frustrations to continue this week, but think the bye week and a couple of games against meh-ish offenses can have us trending in the right direction for the home stretch.
I think we all understand what a healthy Dline brings to this team and its ability to cover for the weaknesses of the other units. Saw the young guys losing a lot of one one battles in the run game. With how slow developing that dive was at times, you would hope to see some more wins there.
For example, we didn't have Harrison at LB, who has been playing as well as anyone at that unit (not the highest praise, I know). He struggled getting McSorely down at times, but I think that was more a testament to McSorley than a failing of Malik. In the middle, I am not sure how much of this is injury and how much is physical limitations, but Tuf is an excellent LB in the box, but is severely limited in his ability to play in space. Hilliard had some of the best plays of the game yesterday, but I also noticed him have a few missed assignments. I want to think his season trends in a similar way to Raekwon's did when he was a freshman - trajectory wise, more than ceiling wise - but am hesitant because Justin has been around for awhile and it hasn't clicked yet. I would like to see him take more snaps in the middle when Malik is back.
I don't see as much of a drop-off at CB as I am reading about on this board. Yes, we definitely don't have a top 5 pick this year, but I think that overall, we have been winning battles at a similar rate as in the past. I can go back to game threads since Meyer switched the defense in 2013 and search "face guarding" and "turn your head around" and find enough posts to write a novel.
At safety/nickel, man I hope we stay healthy. I think the defense can be ok with Pryor/Fuller/Wade filling these spots. Pryor will be the weak link on this side of the ball 99% of the time he is on the field, but I think he has shown flashes and is improving. Haven't rewatched game, but he only time he jumped out to me in a bad way was on the WR screen where he slipped and missed tackle (sure I am forgetting a couple of miscues). Wint, on the other hand, has no business being on the field and sticks out like a sore thumb when he is asked to be on the field. If he needs to play meaningful snaps, well, I'd rather not think about it.
If we get our personnel back, I think we can have a high pressure defense that is above average. I'm not trying to sugar coat our issues - I mean, I don't plan to write a wall of text calling out the failings in our passing game after this. I am however, not ready to throw in the towel on the 2018 unit just yet. I expect the frustrations to continue this week, but think the bye week and a couple of games against meh-ish offenses can have us trending in the right direction for the home stretch.
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Just now watching it for the first time and here is something I saw right away. This is the second run play of their second series, the previous run was out of the wildcat.
Just like we talk about the numbers in the box being a major issue when running on offense, look at what they have created for themselves pre snap on defense.
Offense has 6 blockers + 1 runner + a non run threat QB
Defense has 6 defenders for the 6 blockers, runner is free.
This play is almost guaranteed to hit (and it does)
Just like we talk about the numbers in the box being a major issue when running on offense, look at what they have created for themselves pre snap on defense.
Offense has 6 blockers + 1 runner + a non run threat QB
Defense has 6 defenders for the 6 blockers, runner is free.
This play is almost guaranteed to hit (and it does)
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1926Buckeyes
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You think this is a problem with the safety not recognizing and staying too deep? Or more Schiano worried about the pass game too much?
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not sure
looking at the safety up by the hash, his alignment makes no sense to me (without knowing what they were trying to do)
from the look, it's clearly press man with a single high safety for help so assuming man to man:
Isn't helping take the slant away from slot
Isn't close to LOS for the run
Is 15 yards away from that TE/Hback should he release
they could be running some kind of zone/combo thing between him and the LB's though so take it with a grain of salt
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I have misplaced my pants.
I saw this a lot of times yesterday:
Take Jax's pic, above. The linebacker is on the slot receiver, but off the line a couple of yards. The safety would be lined up directly behind the linebacker. From my untrained eye, I could see that it's man-to-man coverage with the corners, the linebacker is going to blitz, and the safety is going to cover the slot receiver. And then... that's how it would happen. The slot receiver would go 3-7 yards and then slant in. He's in front of the safety and wide open.
The only time I noticed the linebacker NOT blitz from this formation was when he stayed on his receiver, and the receiver ran a corner route. The safety got over there to get the interception. Of course, the linebacker was beat in coverage, but at least it wasn't another wide-open slant pass.
Take Jax's pic, above. The linebacker is on the slot receiver, but off the line a couple of yards. The safety would be lined up directly behind the linebacker. From my untrained eye, I could see that it's man-to-man coverage with the corners, the linebacker is going to blitz, and the safety is going to cover the slot receiver. And then... that's how it would happen. The slot receiver would go 3-7 yards and then slant in. He's in front of the safety and wide open.
The only time I noticed the linebacker NOT blitz from this formation was when he stayed on his receiver, and the receiver ran a corner route. The safety got over there to get the interception. Of course, the linebacker was beat in coverage, but at least it wasn't another wide-open slant pass.
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As far as the slant-fest goes, you just have to make a couple of positional adjustments to take that away.
Outside passes are infinitely harder than slants. Take away the slant and make them prove they can consistently hit (and have time to hit) outs and deep balls.
Spoiler (most college QB's cannot)
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GovTressel
Heisman
In 2014 we gave up 37, 24, 27, and 28 in our last four games before the championship run..the last three against Indiana, Minnisota, and a 5-7 tsun team.
Just something to deal with the bad vibes brought on by our current deficiencies.
Just something to deal with the bad vibes brought on by our current deficiencies.
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It seems that part of the problem for the defense is getting 3 and outs. They struggle at times to get off the field. I only recall one series yesterday that they forced a 3 and out.
I’m not sure if this stat is tracked and I couldn’t find anything when I searched. I’d be curious how often per game on average and how they compare to other years and other teams this year.
I’m not sure if this stat is tracked and I couldn’t find anything when I searched. I’d be curious how often per game on average and how they compare to other years and other teams this year.
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3rd in the league in opponent 3rd down conversions (Purdue is first)
That doesn't answer the question, but it's correlated
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some context for those 3rd down defense numbers:
Purdue's opponents include the 10th, 12th and 13th best offenses in the B1G.
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https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2...otball-film-study-defense-how-to-fix-problems
Film study: What’s wrong with Ohio State’s defense?
There are a lot of issues for the Silver Bullets.
By Patrick Mayhorn Oct 14, 2018, 4:15pm EDT
Ohio State is 7-0. It’s important to say that first, because as with any form of criticism, this article comes with the fact that Ohio State is undefeated, and looks to be as close to a sure thing to make the College Football Playoff for the third time in five years as you can be with your rival still on the schedule. Things aren’t perfect in Columbus though, nowhere near it.
Ohio State is undefeated almost entirely because of the thing that vexed them for the past three seasons, the passing game. There’s a cruel irony that Ohio State’s dominant defense and rushing attack from 2015-2017— which was ultimately held back by a stale passing attack— has now flipped, with the Buckeyes being completely unable to run or play defense as soon as Dwayne Haskins steps in at quarterback. One step forward, two steps back.
While there’s plenty to say about Ohio State’s rushing attack, in all of its inefficiency thanks to a myriad of reasons; ranging from the simple (misuse of running back talent) to the complicated (little to no push up front); that feels like a secondary issue, because Ohio State’s offense is still scoring points, just with a heavy passing attack. The biggest issue with the 2018 Buckeyes is on the other side of the ball.
The strange thing about this defense, and the thing that makes them a bit difficult to figure out, is that on paper, they haven’t been awful. Ohio State is allowing 19.1 points per game through seven games, good enough for 24th in the country, and only 0.1 more than last season’s defense.
However, as anyone watching the games would know, that really doesn’t reflect the actual performance of the team. Hell, just taking out the two worst teams Ohio State played (Rutgers and Tulane) moves that per game average all the way up to 25 over the other five games. That feels far more reflective of what this defense has done this season.
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Film study: What’s wrong with Ohio State’s defense?
There are a lot of issues for the Silver Bullets.
By Patrick Mayhorn Oct 14, 2018, 4:15pm EDT
Ohio State is 7-0. It’s important to say that first, because as with any form of criticism, this article comes with the fact that Ohio State is undefeated, and looks to be as close to a sure thing to make the College Football Playoff for the third time in five years as you can be with your rival still on the schedule. Things aren’t perfect in Columbus though, nowhere near it.
Ohio State is undefeated almost entirely because of the thing that vexed them for the past three seasons, the passing game. There’s a cruel irony that Ohio State’s dominant defense and rushing attack from 2015-2017— which was ultimately held back by a stale passing attack— has now flipped, with the Buckeyes being completely unable to run or play defense as soon as Dwayne Haskins steps in at quarterback. One step forward, two steps back.
While there’s plenty to say about Ohio State’s rushing attack, in all of its inefficiency thanks to a myriad of reasons; ranging from the simple (misuse of running back talent) to the complicated (little to no push up front); that feels like a secondary issue, because Ohio State’s offense is still scoring points, just with a heavy passing attack. The biggest issue with the 2018 Buckeyes is on the other side of the ball.
The strange thing about this defense, and the thing that makes them a bit difficult to figure out, is that on paper, they haven’t been awful. Ohio State is allowing 19.1 points per game through seven games, good enough for 24th in the country, and only 0.1 more than last season’s defense.
However, as anyone watching the games would know, that really doesn’t reflect the actual performance of the team. Hell, just taking out the two worst teams Ohio State played (Rutgers and Tulane) moves that per game average all the way up to 25 over the other five games. That feels far more reflective of what this defense has done this season.
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OHSportsFan
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Minnesota ran the slant-fest that I expected more from IU. Did not know Minnesota would be capable of that, but the Buckeyes D gave it to them. Again, my kingdom for LBs with the awareness to block that lane, or a safety able to read and react to jump it. Positioning would help too as I'm not sure what they are accomplishing in a lot of these formations.
I know Purdue will be looking to execute this with Moore. Buckle up and keep all valuables aware when the Buckeyes are on defense this week.
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OSU opponent 3rd down conversion rate: 31.63%
Bama opponent 3rd down conversion rate: 30.39%
OSU opponent 3rddowns per game: 14
Bama opponent 3rd downs per game: 14.6
OSU opponent plays per game: 69
Bama opponent plays per game: 70
Just some context. I really don't think they are having a systemic issue of getting off the field.
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