2017 tOSU Offense Discussion

[Hstead]

Oh good, you're back to talking up Corey Smith as a draft commodity. His team didn't value him very much. When they did and he received double digit targets in a game, he caught one pass. Valuable special teams guy. Contributed very little as a WR.

Also, the NFL does not draft 40 WRs in a single draft, so that's not a very sterling review, if it were actually a credible place. (Is this the same place that is talking up Parris Campbell's great draft stock?) Being top-70 is especially damning praise.

Corey played hurt this year. Missed several games. I said four posts ago we have 2 guys projected to be drafted in the first 4 rounds and 2 guys that will most likely sign FAs. There are a lot of mock drafts that have Corey in the top 30 and top 40. Some have Wilson higher, I have seen him listed by some in the top 40. (talking position rank)

Again, you guys seem to miss the point. If we have a couple of guys that are top 20, and two more guys that are top 70, then how the heck do you claim we have no talent in Zone 6? What team does have talent then? By the definition of some here, evidently no one in the country has any talent.

I mean for craps sake pretty much every analyst has Samuel ranked in the top 10, every single one of them. Kiper has him 3 or 4. I think I saw McShay has him 6th? Those guys both have Noah like 14th and 17th or something. What the crap do you guys want? 2 guys that the experts are at this point in time ranking in the top 20. Maybe things change after the combine, but I don't see how anyone can look at the mock drafts that are out there and determine OSU had no talent at the receiver position, this year and many of you same guys said the same thing last year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2017/WR
http://walterfootball.com/draft2017WR.php
http://www.drafttek.com/2017-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-WRs-2017-Draft.asp

 

[ShowMeBuck]

Corey played hurt this year. Missed several games. I said four posts ago we have 2 guys projected to be drafted in the first 4 rounds and 2 guys that will most likely sign FAs. There are a lot of mock drafts that have Corey in the top 30 and top 40. Some have Wilson higher, I have seen him listed by some in the top 40. (talking position rank)

Again, you guys seem to miss the point. If we have a couple of guys that are top 20, and two more guys that are top 70, then how the hell do you claim we have no talent in Zone 6? What team does have talent then? By the definition of some here, evidently no one in the country has any talent.

I mean for fucks sake pretty much every analyst has Samuel ranked in the top 10, every single one of them. Kiper has him 3 or 4. I think I saw McShay has him 6th? Those guys both have Noah like 14th and 17th or something. What the fuck do you guys want? 2 guys that the experts are at this point in time ranking in the top 20. Maybe things change after the combine, but I don't see how anyone can look at the mock drafts that are out there and determine OSU had no talent at the receiver position, this year and many of you same guys said the same thing last year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2017/WR
http://walterfootball.com/draft2017WR.php
http://www.drafttek.com/2017-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-WRs-2017-Draft.asp

Uh......this is a recruiting thread. That language will get ya in trouble.

 

[jwinslow]

We're not doing this in recruiting threads.

Corey played hurt this year. Missed several games. I said four posts ago we have 2 guys projected to be drafted in the first 4 rounds and 2 guys that will most likely sign FAs.

Almost everyone signs FAs. That's part of the reason Harbaugh claims 4875 NFL products from his circles.

Corey has played for 3 years and been primarily a special teams contributor. Dontre has had a much steadier contribution to the passing game and he hasn't been able to run for the majority of those 3 seasons. The NFL does not crave small, unproductive WRs from a pedestrian scheme. Neither of them are elite speedsters either.

There are a lot of mock drafts that have Corey in the top 30 and top 40.

Which means best case scenario, he's barely getting drafted.

Some have Wilson higher, I have seen him listed by some in the top 40. (talking position rank)

Same.

Again, you guys seem to miss the point. If we have a couple of guys that are top 20, and two more guys that are top 70, then how the heck do you claim we have no talent in Zone 6? What team does have talent then? By the definition of some here, evidently no one in the country has any talent.

There is talent. It's not close to OSU standards. It's nowhere near what Tressel usually had, or what JT had in 2014 or 2015, nor what Barrett's heir will have.

I mean for craps sake pretty much every analyst has Samuel ranked in the top 10, every single one of them. Kiper has him 3 or 4. I think I saw McShay has him 6th? Those guys both have Noah like 14th and 17th or something. What the crap do you guys want?

I'd like the other players to be able to catch a ball in traffic, or field a ball consistently. James Clark (and Corey Smith) cannot do the first thing. Parris has improved but still isn't consistent at the latter (which is his first job). Dixon has zero knees.

I think McLaurin could be pretty solid with a competent passing game but he's not an elite talent.

There's no excuse to be this bad, but the talent certainly played a role along with everything else. As for strong NFL talent, that resided largely in the young talent on the team (plus Samuel) and what was coming this winter.

Show Me's 2 guys that the experts are at this point in time ranking in the top 20. Maybe things change after the combine, but I don't see how anyone can look at the mock drafts that are out there and determine OSU had no talent at the receiver position, this year and many of you same guys said the same thing last year.

That's because you're arguing with imaginary strawmen and not what people are saying.

Please find a post from me claiming that OSU had no talent at WR last year. I'd love to see that.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/2017/WR
http://walterfootball.com/draft2017WR.php
http://www.drafttek.com/2017-NFL-Draft-Prospect-Rankings/Top-College-WRs-2017-Draft.asp

Walter Football 2016

30. Undrafted
31. Undrafted
32. Undrafted
33. rd 4 pick 28
34. Undrafted
35. Undrafted
36. Undrafted
37. Undrafted
38. Undrafted
39. Undrafted
40. Undrafted

Like I said, that's not very good territory, and almost every name on that list dwarfed Corey Smith by miles.

I'm not about to look down to see who's ranked 30+ spots after the NFL is done drafting WRs (aka top-70)

 

[Hstead]

Put it this way---ask Urban if he felt the WR group was productive last year. Yeah, didn't think so.

Was a bad position group hurt by poor O Line play and really poor scheme and play calling? Absolutely. But the group was still seriously lacking. Look at Clemsons production from their WRs. That's what it takes to win.

How can you blame the talent last year? Thomas is having an amazing rookie season. Braxton and Marshall both made rosters. Vannet was also drafted and made the team. We had a great receiving RB.

Were they productive last year? No they weren't. Was it because of lack of talent? I don't know how you can answer that with a yes when ALL of them are now in the NFL.

You really think Renfroe is going to have a bigger impact in the NFL than our guys from last year or Samuel or Brown?

Clemsons receivers produced because they were given the opportunity. Our guys didn't produce, including now proven NFL talent, because they weren't given the opportunity to produce this year or last year. The scheme sucked. Not the talent. They are proving it this year in the NFL. I am saying it is the same with this group, Samuel and Brown are projected as high collectively than Williams and Scott, and outside of Clemson no one else is really close, maybe USC.

We will have to agree to disagree. Time will tell. You guys think we don't have talent, I don't see how you can think that way with 2 guys getting drafted again. There are literally no mock drafts that do not show OSU players ranked at the WR position. None. That would be lack of talent. Not 2 guys getting drafted and 2 mire signing FAs.

 

[Hstead]

Please find a post from me claiming that OSU had no talent at WR last year. I'd love to see that.

I went through the 2015 offensive thread and no you weren't one of them, but there were plenty blaming WRs last year, "no deep threat" yada yada yada. ShowMe just did it again a few threads ago referencing Urban blaming the Zone6, which he did. I defended them last year too. Defenses prepared for our piss poor scheme and the group didn't produce, but some how they all of the sudden became talented this year and made NFL rosters.

Here is where our guys have been drafted over the years.
96 Glenn 7 overall 1st
97 none
98 none
99 Boston 8 overall 1st
00 none
01 Germany 214 and Rambo 229 both 7th
02 none
03 none
04 Jenkins 29 1st rd - Drew Carter doesn't count
05 none
06 Holmes 25th 1st
07 Ginn 9 Gonzo 32 1st Hall 169 5th
08 none
09 Robiske 2nd Hartline 108 4th
10 none
11 none
12 Posey 68 3rd
13 none
14 none
15 Smith 37 2nd Spencer 187 6th
16 Thomas 47 2nd Miller 85 3rd

 

[redguard117]

At some point you guys are just going to have to agree to disagree, lol.

My own personal opinion - we recruited way too many shifty speedster "Harvin" 5'9 170 lb types over the past few years and very few true WRs, and we're paying the price now. Unfortunately, our coaching/development of the receivers we do have hasn't been enough to mask these deficiencies.

 

[cincibuck]

Two interesting moments from the Fiesta Bowl that must have caught the attention of scouts: 1.Curtis Samuel breaks free for 60+ yards, but is caught from behind by not one, but two Clemson DBs. 2. Clemson intercepts ball in/near the end zone and the DB runs right by Corey who appears to be looking for a way to avoid having to tackle the guy.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Two interesting moments from the Fiesta Bowl that must have caught the attention of scouts: 1.Curtis Samuel breaks free for 60+ yards, but is caught from behind by not one, but two Clemson DBs. 2. Clemson intercepts ball in/near the end zone and the DB runs right by Corey who appears to be looking for a way to avoid having to tackle the guy.

He didn't get caught from behind "by not one, but 2" DB's. One DB had the angle and the other "caught" him after he came to a near dead stop. The play starts at 5:49

 

[jwinslow]

He didn't get caught from behind "by not one, but 2" DB's. One DB had the angle and the other "caught" him after he came to a near dead stop. The play starts at 5:49

He starts 7+ yards upfield from Samuel. Curtis gets even with him near the sideline, then tries to stutter step to add more yardage. At no point is the DB chasing him.

Also no one else is catching him. The closest guy, #23, gets absolutely smoked before Samuel stops (because of the deep safety containing him).

Odd post, @cincibuck

 

[RugbyBuck]

Damnit, you two! There you go fcuking up a good story with facts again.

 

[buchtelgrad04]

Any other football nerds want to see a little bit of what Kevin Wilson likes to do on offense can do so here: http://puntjohnpunt.com/

Just go through the pages. It's a little like Ross Fulton's breakdowns on 11W. Maybe not as thorough, though. Still fun to get a glimpse of what he likes to do.

 

[cincibuck]

He starts 7+ yards upfield from Samuel. Curtis gets even with him near the sideline, then tries to stutter step to add more yardage. At no point is the DB chasing him.

Also no one else is catching him. The closest guy, #23, gets absolutely smoked before Samuel stops (because of the deep safety containing him).

Odd post, @cincibuck

To be honest, I haven't been able to bring myself to re-watch that game until your post. I think it's the first time I saw Samuel not go all the way when he had the ball in such a position. That left an impression. The number of times he was stopped for a loss or little gain left an impression too.

Clemson had an excellent defensive scheme, one that made me wonder how they were unable to blow NC State and Pitt out of the water, but could take the Buckeyes to the woodshed.

Thanks for posting the tape.

 

[jwinslow]

Clemson had an excellent defensive scheme

Erasing the OL will do that.

one that made me wonder how they were unable to blow NC State and Pitt out of the water, but could take the Buckeyes to the woodshed.

Those teams kept Clemson on their heels with their varied looks. OSU could not (or would not) run anything consistently. You can make an argument about why they refused to run right at Clemson until the game was over, but there was no consistency upfront after Jordan left.

 

[starBUCKS]

The 6-2, 220-pounder, who received permission to contact multiple schools on Friday, will graduate this summer and take his talents elsewhere. Although he is open to many schools across the country, it looks like Indiana, UCLA, Miami, Arizona State, Purdue and Ohio State are all schools he'll look closely at.
Brent enrolled early in South Bend. Upon graduation, he'll be able to play immediately and has two years of eligibility.


Might provide some good depth, and not go with Ellison.

 

[cdiddy70]

Not a chance Brent gets an offer here.
He did nothing of note except bang a porn star at ND.