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2017 tOSU Offense Discussion

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OHSportsFan said:
All this talk about NFL talent at WR is missing the point that I sit around on any Saturday and watch every other team across America DESIGN plays that have dudes running wide open. I mean, I trust JT enough to through some easy pitch and catch. Just a total breakdown in design and what JT is asked or has now been coached beyond repair to do.
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I think the separation issue is garbage... besides most people call zone against us anyways. As you said everyone in football has open receivers and that includes us but you need to just step into some throws trusting your skill players to make a play.
 
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OHSportsFan said:
Also, you know what else is good "passing"? That pop pass they used to run to Jalin as a stretch play (basically a handoff out wide).
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No idea where that play went but with Campbell being a good running back in HS they need to dust it off. Exactly why I sorta think UFM is just shooting into the dark here to try to find an answer. The reason of "people have schemed that lool" is not a reason to eliminate what was once a great play. Besides when we fake that touch pass and instead run a dive with our backs that motion may mean the difference of 5 yards or 25 yards due to the backside of the defense needing to flow with the motion man.

Sigh... I miss 2014
 
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In case ya'll are interested how the offensive calls work, from 2013 Buffalo game:

https://www.si.com/vault/2013/09/30/106375259/the-wired

There's a brief review of headset conversations between the offensive staff and their roles. Some interesting quotes from Meyer, including:

After the game, Meyer realizes he got too conservative and essentially apologizes, as Mack's sack seemed to rattle Meyer's aggression. "You know what I did? I quit pushing and quit grinding. That's my fault. I've got to get better. I'm going to take the hit for this one.
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So Meyer is 100% correct that Wilson is the primary signal caller, but Wilson is now taking directives and cues from Meyer on how he wants the game called. I don't know how it worked under Stoops (a defensive coach) and obviously Wilson set the tone during the game at Indiana.

My guess is that's why we're experiencing Groundhog Day during every big, or close, game. That's the source of the abandonment of the run game and the same plays we're seeing over and over. Dare we call it a rut, it's what Urban is dictating. I think he can break out, but he has to realize and accept what he's doing. That's why I think Meyer goes more radio silence these next 4 weeks as an experiment and gauges what happens.
 
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We tend to roll out a lot and most of if not all of it is to JT's right which JT struggles with. God I'm already hearing the boo's that'll rain down this Saturday when JT rolls right and throws it out of bounds. I really hope we play well Saturday and we can get this figured out though because JT is just too much of a good person to deserve that.
 
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Poe McKnoe said:
My guess is that's why we're experiencing Groundhog Day during every big, or close, game. That's the source of the abandonment of the run game and the same plays we're seeing over and over. Dare we call it a rut, it's what Urban is dictating. I think he can break out, but he has to realize and accept what he's doing. That's why I think Meyer goes more radio silence these next 4 weeks as an experiment and gauges what happens.
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This. When you're in a fight, you need to FIGHT. Sort it out later, but it's not the time to pucker up and abandon the run game. I honestly do not comprehend why we do this regularly. We have the results when we don't (Ala-fcuking-bama and Oregon) and when we do (losses to State Penn and Sparty in conference and beatdowns from Clem's Son and Lincoln's Sooners.
 
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bukIpower said:
I agree throwing wise the back ups offer more but we aren't going to pull JT it just won't happen. So how can we help JT should be what the coaches are thinking about. No one has really every stopped us from running the ball if you think about it we've only stopped ourselves with going away from the running game.

Seriously despite teams probably loading the box can anyone think of time were we were actually shut down? How many times did we stop running the backs and let JT run draws before we fell behind too much to continue to run the ball?
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The Buckeyes have lead the nation in yards per carry for pretty much the entire time Urban has been here.
 
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RugbyBuck said:
It could be that Urban's been too focused on building culture, etc. which we've heard ad nauseum the last three years (not that I have anything against or disagree with building such a culture) at the expense of renewing/improving his offense. He's saying the right things about acknowledging Wilson's and Day's experience and giving them the leash to run, but I'm pretty sure that it hasn't happened yet and I'm not sure that whatever we see in the next three games really makes much difference. What matters is whether we crap the bed against State Penn. Do we go ultra-conservative again or do we let the offense rip? If there's any upside to the OU loss it's that maybe it allows us to go a little WTF? with the play calling and use the horses we've got.
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We didn't go ultra conservative against Penn State, or Northwestern, or UM, or Clemson, or OU. That's the problem. JT threw 43 passes at Penn State. He threw 44 against Northwestern. 35 against OU.

The whole point of running a power spread is that teams can't stack the box, right?
 
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I just hope they average 40+ PPG these next 3 games, like they SHOULD against Army, UNLV and Rutgers. (they should against Maryland and Nebraska as well, neither of those teams has a defense)

If they are unable to put up big points against these schools. There's REALLY a problem.

That being said, I'd take any "explosiveness" we may see in these games with a grain of salt, if stuff does change we wont really know until they play Ped State.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
I just hope they average 40+ PPG these next 3 games, like they SHOULD against Army, UNLV and Rutgers. (they should against Maryland and Nebraska as well, neither of those teams has a defense)

If they are unable to put up big points against these schools. There's REALLY a problem.

That being said, I'd take any "explosiveness" we may see in these games with a grain of salt, if stuff does change we wont really know until they play Ped State.
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I mean we dropped serious points on a lot of those teams you listed last year and ultimately it didn't matter. Dropped 62 on both Nebraska and Maryland. Dropped 58 or Rutgers. UNLV seems like they might be a hair better than Bowling Green who we put 77 on and broke offensive records. If the offense looks good against the Pedsters then I'll start to believe. Iowa and Michigan State and I'll be excited.
 
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Hstead said:
I was addressing a comment that Zone 6 was "weak". I then laid out the argument that they were not "weak" because 2 were going to get drafted, and the other two were ranked in the top 70. There are many schools out there that do not have 1 receiver in the top 70 and we had 4. That didn't mean I thought the two ranked at 40 and 70 were getting drafted, hence I said they would be FA's and Samuel and Brown would be drafted. I was talking about Zone 6 as a whole. They were not "weak". When your worst is ranked 70th, that isn't too bad. Not to mention that doesn't account for Campbell or the other underclassmen that made up Zone 6 last year. No where did I tout "4 NFL Commodities", those again are your words and not mine and your interpretation because I listed the other two's rankings. And I wouldn't call them "not desired at all" they were FAs which a lot of other schools and receivers cannot say they were.

I still don't understand what is so hard to follow? I listed to the two guys that would get drafted and listed the other 2 guys that would not get drafted and showed their rankings were 40 and 70. No where did I tout they are "NFL" players or would be. I did however point out that the unit was not "weak" in my estimation.
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Good Lord. Anyone saying zone 6 is not weak hasn't been watching.
 
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lvbuckeye said:
We didn't go ultra conservative against Penn State, or Northwestern, or UM, or Clemson, or OU. That's the problem. JT threw 43 passes at Penn State. He threw 44 against Northwestern. 35 against OU.

The whole point of running a power spread is that teams can't stack the box, right?
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Ultra-conservative in going away from our backs and relying on JTB.
 
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