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2017 tOSU Offense Discussion

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Hstead said:
Well in my opinion, having 2 receivers make NFL rosters is pretty damn good. How many schools have 2 receivers make NFL rosters? What is your definition of good, 3? Seriously? You still want to argue that we didn't have much talent in Zone 6 even though 2 were deemed NFL roster worthy? We just are not going to agree on that then.
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OSU WR corps over the years regarding NFL

2002: Jenkins, Carter (RS Gonzo)
2003: Jenkins, Carter, Holmes (RS Gonzo)
2004: Holmes, Ginn, Gonzalez, Hall
2005: Holmes, Ginn, Gonzalez, Hall, Robiskie
2006: Ginn, Gonzalez, Hall, Robiskie, Hartline
2007: Robiskie, Hartline, Posey, Sanzenbacher
2008: Robiskie, Hartline, Posey, Sanzenbacher
2009: Posey, Sanzenbacher
2010: Posey, Sanzenbacher, C.Brown
2011: Posey, C.Brown, Smith, Spencer
2012: C.Brown, Smith, Spencer (RS Thomas)
2013: C.Brown, Smith, Spencer, Thomas
2014: Thomas, Smith, Spencer, Samuel
2015: Thomas, Miller, Marshall, Samuel (N.Brown inj)
2016: N.Brown, Samuel
2017: ?

When the only desirable NFL talent is a single all purpose tailback, there's a problem.

Also, I expect a sharp uptick by 2019 (or before) with Mack, Victor, Grimes, Harris, Trey Knox, etc.


This year's team will not have anyone drafted next spring or even worth tracking. Will they have some in 2-4 years? Probably. I'd look back to the Urban's arrival for a similar comparison. The "clown show" actually had some talent, but it was not realized yet, and it wasn't close to what he'd build up in 2015.
 
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Lord have mercy what a BS list. When Campbell, Mack, Hill and Victor are playing on Sundays you can complete your halfass list. You can't have it both ways.

I posted this list then, MUCH MORE ACCURATE.


Here is where our guys have been drafted over the years.
96 Glenn 7 overall 1st
97 none
98 none
99 Boston 8 overall 1st
00 none
01 Germany 214 and Rambo 229 both 7th
02 none
03 none
04 Jenkins 29 1st rd - Drew Carter doesn't count
05 none
06 Holmes 25th 1st
07 Ginn 9 Gonzo 32 1st Hall 169 5th
08 none
09 Robiske 2nd Hartline 108 4th
10 none
11 none
12 Posey 68 3rd
13 none
14 none
15 Smith 37 2nd Spencer 187 6th
16 Thomas 47 2nd Miller 85 3rd
17 Samuel 1st and Brown 7th

That is the OSU receivers by year and draft position. Yet your group has been blaming Zone 6 for 3 years now.
 
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This guy sums it up perfectly and makes both arguments that everyone here is making. I am in the camp of trying something different, ie playing Haskins or Burrow, because we know what we have so far, and it gets its ass kicked by top teams, whoever you want to blame. So let's see what happens if we make a change behind center? We can't change receivers because 6 of them already play, we can't change the Oline exactly, we have 2 RBs that obviously aren't the problem, let's try to change the piece that is easiest to change because we can't change coordinators at this point either.

http://theozone.net/2017/09/case-benching-j-t-barrett/
 
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Hstead said:
This guy sums it up perfectly and makes both arguments that everyone here is making. I am in the camp of trying something different, ie playing Haskins or Burrow, because we know what we have so far, and it gets its ass kicked by top teams, whoever you want to blame. So let's see what happens if we make a change behind center? We can't change receivers because 6 of them already play, we can't change the Oline exactly, we have 2 RBs that obviously aren't the problem, let's try to change he piece that is easiest to change because we can't change coordinators at this point either.
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Actually using the coordinator they hired is way easier than canning the leader of the offense. That's a pretty glaring omission from your list of options.

Also, the backup is going to get a lot of reps and opportunity to play regardless of benching JT.
 
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jwinslow said:
Actually using the coordinator they hired is way easier than canning the leader of the offense. That's a pretty glaring omission from your list of options.

Also, the backup is going to get a lot of reps and opportunity to play regardless of benching JT.
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I believe JT will miss throws and hold it too long no matter what offense we run, IUs old one, New England Patriots, or Urbans. He just can't seem to get it together.

The question is, when Burrow or Haskins do get in, and make the throws JT can't, and moves the O, then what? It is only going to get worse. The overwhelming majority of Buckeye fans leaving the stadium Sat night were complaining that JT needs to be benched. It isn't long until JT starts getting boo'd unfortunately.
 
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Hstead said:
I believe JT will miss throws and hold it too long no matter what offense we run, IUs old one, New England Patriots, or Urbans. He just can't seem to get it together.

The question is, when Burrow or Haskins do get in, and make the throws JT can't, and moves the O, then what? It is only going to get worse. The overwhelming majority of Buckeye fans leaving the stadium Sat night were complaining that JT needs to be benched. It isn't long until JT starts getting boo'd unfortunately.
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And your dislike/distrust is so overwhelming that you just assume it will be better with anyone else.

As for the booing if the others do anything good, I'm familiar with the loyalty that OSU fans provide.

Probably my most vivid memory in my many years of covering OSU was hearing the idiocy spewed towards Pryor when he tried to carry a pretty bad WR corps. The screams were ridiculous and included a lot of calls for the Baus. The best part? The idiocy was also coming from the 200 OSU student athletes standing on the tarmac behind me, waiting to be recognized at halftime with their little sign posts for each team.
Hstead said:
Lord have mercy what a BS list.
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It's BS to list the NFL guys on a particular team? Yeah, I can see why we find each other laughably dense.

Your list paints 2006 as a 1 man show.
When Campbell, Mack, Hill and Victor are playing on Sundays you can complete your halfass list. You can't have it both ways.
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Did you even read my post? Or do you just skim it and rage type stuff?
I posted this list then, MUCH MORE ACCURATE.


Here is where our guys have been drafted over the years.
96 Glenn 7 overall 1st
97 none
98 none
99 Boston 8 overall 1st
00 none
01 Germany 214 and Rambo 229 both 7th
02 none
03 none
04 Jenkins 29 1st rd - Drew Carter doesn't count
05 none
06 Holmes 25th 1st
07 Ginn 9 Gonzo 32 1st Hall 169 5th
08 none
09 Robiske 2nd Hartline 108 4th
10 none
11 none
12 Posey 68 3rd
13 none
14 none
15 Smith 37 2nd Spencer 187 6th
16 Thomas 47 2nd Miller 85 3rd
17 Samuel 1st and Brown 7th
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Of course it is, because at first glance it makes '17 look similar to '06.
Yet your group has been blaming Zone 6 for 3 years now.
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Oh good, you're back to addressing caricatures (from thousands of posters) instead of what I actually say. :roll1:
 
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Hstead said:
Even with the 2 QB runs everyone is upset about that gave us 3rd and goal, JT did this.

https://giphy.com/gifs/y9qFICInPWqti?utm_source=iframe&utm_medium=embed&utm_campaign=Embeds&utm_term=http://www.cleveland.com/osu/2017/09/kevin_wilson_says_he_was_awful.html

I said it last year, Burrow would be more efficient and there is zero doubt in my mind.
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Yeah, Joey would have been really good with no throwing hand.

You keep talking about all of your amazing prognostications and shrewd observations of what everyone else also saw. We'll just sit back and bask in their wonderfulness.
 
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jwinslow said:
Yeah, Joey would have been really good with no throwing hand.

You keep talking about all of your amazing prognostications and shrewd observations of what everyone else also saw. We'll just sit back and bask in their wonderfulness.
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I am talking from this point forward. Burrow if he is ready, Haskins if he isn't. Or we can keep doing what we have been doing and get embarrassed by good teams and look like turds for a half against the likes of IU.

Your prognostication was that Brown wouldn't make it in the NFL yet you think Devin was some sort of incredible receiver. How did his NFL career go?

Indianas coach didn't say he played man-to-man coverage because we have inadequate receivers. He said our QB is inaccurate and he game planned for a QB that can't complete passes downfield. He was right.
 
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Hstead said:
I am talking from this point forward. Burrow if he is ready, Haskins if he isn't. Or we can keep doing what we have been doing and get embarrassed by good teams and look like turds for a half against the likes of IU.
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Or behaving like turds in response. (not sure there's a turd free side at this point)
Your prognostication was that Brown wouldn't make it in the NFL yet you think Devin was some sort of incredible receiver. How did his NFL career go?
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No, I said nothing of the sort, but that's your go to move when we discuss things. About the only thing I can find directly discussing Noah is understanding why he might declare.

I'm not sure why I keep hoping you'll begin reading what I type, but this is what I said then about the WRs
There is talent. It's not close to OSU standards. It's nowhere near what Tressel usually had, or what JT had in 2014 or 2015, nor what Barrett's heir will have.
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I talked at extreme length about the WRs and didn't mention Noah's name once, because he wasn't being rebuked.

As for #9, Devin was and remains the greatest deep ball WR in OSU history. He would transform this offense in its current broken state.
Indianas coach didn't say he played man-to-man coverage because we have inadequate receivers. He said our QB is inaccurate and he game planned for a QB that can't complete passes downfield. He was right.
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He threw a perfect pass downfield to an inadequate receiver, but in your hyper-narrow world view, that isn't mentioned because you don't hate their play with such a red-hot fire.

The reality is the QB and WR are both so inconsistent that you can dare OSU to throw deep on them all day.
 
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