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2017 Ohio State Head Men's Basketball Coaching Search

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brodybuck21 said:
but what has Archie done that has everyone so in love with him? im not trolling just trying to figure it out
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He's still in his 30's, he took Dayton to the elite 8 and has given them four years in a row of being at the top of a respectable conference, his brother is coaching one of the elites at a young age, setting up the elite brotherly rivalry, he's recruited very well at the level he's been at, he's a known commodity in Columbus with his two years as an assistant.....and, just to be honest, I don't care for bald coaches. I don't know how baldness affects recruiting, but they look a little funny.
 
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Jake said:
He's beaten Ohio State in the tournament.

He's Sean Miller's brother.

He's a former tOSU assistant.

He's got a smokin' hot wife.

He's not named Harbaugh or Crean.
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Jake said:
He's beaten Ohio State in the tournament.

He's Sean Miller's brother.

He's a former tOSU assistant.

He's got a smokin' hot wife.

He's not named Harbaugh or Crean.
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Devil's advocate

1) so did Fran McCaffrey
2) underachiever
3) so is Greg Paulus
4) is James Franklin coaching here?
5) ok you got me with this one

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HabaneroBuck said:
Right. UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and Carolina are top 5 programs, and we aren't changing that. We definitely could be the class of the B1G consistently....
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Yea. The Final 4 every year is a unrealistic expectation, but I don't say any reason why they can't/shouldn't at least be a sweet 16 (or even a tough out in the 2nd round) type team consistently.

This of course takes the right coach though. Ohio State's resources would be rendered useless if this hire is a flop.
 
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HabaneroBuck said:
Right. UCLA, Kansas, Kentucky, Duke and Carolina are top 5 programs, and we aren't changing that. We definitely could be the class of the B1G consistently....
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I think there are four or five schools fighting for that right. Sparty and Indiana obviously. Ohio State and TSUN have the potential but have always been up and down programs. Wiscy provided skeletor's successor can continue that program's consistency. I'd have to add Illinois but only on one condition, and that's that they find a coach willing to sell his soul and get dirty mining the Chicago Public League for talent, but that has a limited shelf life as it's bound to end in NCAA problems.
 
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Frankly, I think expecting Matta's results from 2006-12 is bordering on unrealistic. That era, and that coach came along at the right time. Kentucky was down. IU was crawling out from the rubble of the Samson era. scUM was a basketball non-factor.

Times are different now. What was a pretty wide-open Midwestern landscape during that time now has a juggernaut in UK. Archie Miller could turn around IU in short order. Painter at Purdue recruits very well. Beilein has scUM at least respectable. Plus you still have Pitino down in Louisville. The next coach will have his hands full trying to carve out a place for tOSU basketball in that crowd. Right now, we're not even in the discussion.

Now, that's not to say with the right coach that tOSU can't become a very strong program again; but what Matta did is rarified air. Looking back, he did an absolutely remarkable job for the better part of a decade. If you would have told me when we hired him that he would get to a National Championship Game, 2 Final Fours, and elite 8, 5 B1G Titles, recruit multiple blue-chip players and win 73% of his games, I would have said you're crazy. Expecting the next guy to match that in today's environment is a tall order.
 
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ORD_Buckeye said:
Top 5? I'd say that we can realistically be a consistent top 15 program with good national title/top 5 runs mixed in.
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What I meant was, with the right coach, we could be a top five program during his tenure. Hell, Thad had us as a top 5 program for about 4 years. I don't mean that we will win the title 8 out of the next 20 years and become one of the top 5 programs of all time.
 
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NFBuck said:
Frankly, I think expecting Matta's results from 2006-12 is bordering on unrealistic. That era, and that coach came along at the right time. Kentucky was down. IU was crawling out from the rubble of the Samson era. scUM was a basketball non-factor.

Times are different now. What was a pretty wide-open Midwestern landscape during that time now has a juggernaut in UK. Archie Miller could turn around IU in short order. Painter at Purdue recruits very well. Beilein has scUM at least respectable. Plus you still have Pitino down in Louisville. The next coach will have his hands full trying to carve out a place for tOSU basketball in that crowd. Right now, we're not even in the discussion.

Now, that's not to say with the right coach that tOSU can't become a very strong program again; but what Matta did is rarified air. Looking back, he did an absolutely remarkable job for the better part of a decade. If you would have told me when we hired him that he would get to a National Championship Game, 2 Final Fours, and elite 8, 5 B1G Titles, recruit multiple blue-chip players and win 73% of his games, I would have said you're crazy. Expecting the next guy to match that in today's environment is a tall order.
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Whoever comes in definitely has their work cut out

17-18 is going to be a throw away year, considering what they have to work with

Short of a Billy Donovan or Jay Wright recruiting is probably going to take a minute to build back up as well seeing as how damaged it is at the moment.

It's going to be at least a 2-3 year process getting back into contention, IMO. Unless they hit the major home run somehow.
 
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buckeyemania11 said:
Whoever comes in definitely has their work cut out

17-18 is going to be a throw away year, considering what they have to work with

Short of a Billy Donovan or Jay Wright recruiting is probably going to take a minute to build back up as well seeing as how damaged it is at the moment.

It's going to be at least a 2-3 year process getting back into contention, IMO. Unless they hit the major home run somehow.
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It could be quicker if the NBA Blows up the current college rule and moves to more of an MLB rule... Where you can go pro straight away or go to college.. but if you go to college you are there for 3 years.
 
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TampaBuckeyes said:
Billy Donovan isn't leaving the NBA for a while. He had passed up multiple opportunities and waited until the timing was perfect to make the leap. He's not giving up that quickly.
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I still think it's a pipe dream, but I'm not ready to dismiss it out of hand.

There are a couple of reasons Donovan might want to go back to college...

1. Not all college coaches adapt to the NBA, Pitinio and Calipari are examples. The headaches/egos you have to manage in the nba are worlds larger than in college.
2. He might be frustrated with having to compete with "super teams." The nba is set up so that these super teams aren't going away anytime soon. Add in that OKC is a small market team in "flyover" country, and he might look at it and say "I'm never going to compete in this league" and want to go back to college where a coach can have MUCH more control over the type of team he puts on the court. Yes he has Russ Westbrook, but he'll never be able to surround him with the kind of players to compete with the Golden States or Cavs of the world. And before you say it, I know Cleveland is a small market. But they have an owner willing to spend to compete. I don't think that's the case in OKC.
3. $$$. tOSU is one of a handful of jobs that might have the financial resources to toss a pile of money at a coach to come and turn around the program. Basketball will always play second fiddle to football in Columbus, but it's still a revenue sport, and if tOSU is serious about luring a top tiered coach to Columbus, they're gonna have to spend. And they have the cash to do it.
4. Some say tOSU might not be that attractive to big time coaches because it's a football school. That's certainly true in my mind, however, Donovan was already successful once at a football school and I don't think it's as big a negative for him as it might be for others.

Now, do I think Donovan would end up here? No I do not. I would put it at an extreme longshot. But there's enough reasoning, in my mind, to at least see it as a possibility, and if Gene Smith is serious about this coaching search, he has to at least try to land a whale. And Donovan would certainly be that.
 
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NFBuck said:
Frankly, I think expecting Matta's results from 2006-12 is bordering on unrealistic. That era, and that coach came along at the right time. Kentucky was down. IU was crawling out from the rubble of the Samson era. scUM was a basketball non-factor.

Times are different now. What was a pretty wide-open Midwestern landscape during that time now has a juggernaut in UK. Archie Miller could turn around IU in short order. Painter at Purdue recruits very well. Beilein has scUM at least respectable. Plus you still have Pitino down in Louisville. The next coach will have his hands full trying to carve out a place for tOSU basketball in that crowd. Right now, we're not even in the discussion.

Now, that's not to say with the right coach that tOSU can't become a very strong program again; but what Matta did is rarified air. Looking back, he did an absolutely remarkable job for the better part of a decade. If you would have told me when we hired him that he would get to a National Championship Game, 2 Final Fours, and elite 8, 5 B1G Titles, recruit multiple blue-chip players and win 73% of his games, I would have said you're crazy. Expecting the next guy to match that in today's environment is a tall order.
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Fully agree. I would be delighted with a coach who could repeat what Thad did - even including an occasional season like last year. The problem has been an unrelenting downward trend line in recruiting, player development and results. But prior to that starting a few years ago Thad had this program running as strongy as anyone can expect to do at OSU.
 
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