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2017 College Football Playoffs (and Other Bowl Games)

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ORD_Buckeye said:
I agree. Last week was the week that Bama losing helped us. Now, we need them to run the table.

It benefits us if the PAC champion is from the North rather than USC.

Domers losing again wouldn't hurt just to be safe. Plus, fuck Notre Dame.

Miami/Clemson worries me if Clemson wins closely in the CG. Miami unleashing a plunger on Clemson would be nice insurance.

Okie wins out.

Makes us the strongest 2-loss champion with no 1-loss non-Champions.

That should give us

1. Alabama
2. Miami
3. Oklahoma
4. Ohio State
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Quite frankly I think we need to root for Clemson to plunge the fuck out of Miami. The committee really LOVES Clemson (they put them at #2 after nearly losing to FL State). I'd rather compete with Miami, a 1 loss non-champ with a poor schedule and no ranked away wins.

If they're going to compare us with Clemson, we'd lose and they'll put em both in. They're the previous Champ, have all those "great" wins, and beat the crap out of us last year. I honestly think we MIGHT win in a beauty contest with Miami, but not Clemson for sure.
 
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UrbanBuckeye said:
I don't get how TCU or Miami winning out helps us. That makes zero sense.
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Well, the way I see it, if Miami wins out, that would mean Clemson would have at least 2 losses and not be a conference champ.

Apparently the BigXII is having some sort of conference championship game this year. (?) If TCU were to win out, it would mean that they would have beaten OU, giving them 2 losses and no conference championship.

Assuming we win out, we would also have 2 losses, but would have the BIG10 championship......
 
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AJHawkfan said:
Well, the way I see it, if Miami wins out, that would mean Clemson would have at least 2 losses and not be a conference champ.

Apparently the BigXII is having some sort of conference championship game this year. (?) If TCU were to win out, it would mean that they would have beaten OU, giving them 2 losses and no conference championship.

Assuming we win out, we would also have 2 losses, but would have the BIG10 championship......
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Gotcha...

But, like I pointed out, wouldn't it be better to hope OU gets in? With a second loss, we'd be competing with them... They win the HTH. No fucking way they put TCU in even with a Championship. Sorry, Christians. Not this year. I think they may take a 2 loss non champ OU. Sorry, Iowa State and TCU losses are better than Iowa and...them.

Not to mention, having lost to #2-4 wouldn't look as bad. If OU gets only 1 more loss, our losses only look worse and they take ND. If OU loses to WVU AND TCU then great. Otherwise, I think it's best to just let the Big 12 do their thing.

I don't think we can compete against a 2 loss Clemson-- even without a championship. People see 2 losses. The committee sees 1.

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Also, I like the idea of having a second crack at both OU and Clemson.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
If the B1G CCG was an auto bid this very year you have an example of a time when The Game could be severely diminished.

There is no denying that.

I am all for home field advantage and an expanded format but the auto bid thing could absolutely have a negative impact on rivalry games.

I remember the first or second SEC CG, Spurrier rested starters against FSU to get ready for it, this isn't wild speculation. It's absolutely logical and plausible.
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It is logical and plausible, but I'd counter with this:

Do you think Urban F Meyer is resting starters against That Team Up North? I'm guessing no.

Do you think James P Tressel is resting starters against That Team Up North? I'm guessing no.

If our head coach is resting starters in The Game, we've hired the wrong head coach.

But further, if the hypothetical is expanding from four to eight to compensate auto-bids, and with the first round of games going to home teams... You're not punting the 2 seed at home just to rest your starters so you can be the 7 seed and play on the road.

If it's 8, and if you play the first round on campuses, I don't think rivalry games would be affected at all. You protect the regular season by giving the Top 4 home games.
 
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UrbanBuckeye said:
I don't get how TCU or Miami winning out helps us. That makes zero sense.
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Miami makes sense. I still think we would want (maybe not need) OU to win.

Bama, OU, Miami winning out gives us the cleanest path IMO

The above happens:

Auburn has 3 losses- OUT
UGA has 2 losses and no conf title - OUT
Clemson 2 losses and no conf title - OUT
ND no conf - OUT
Wisconsin loss to OSU - OUT

That puts us at 4 with a date against Bama in the Sugar Bowl
 
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Dryden said:
It is logical and plausible, but I'd counter with this:

Do you think Urban F Meyer is resting starters against That Team Up North? I'm guessing no.

Do you think James P Tressel is resting starters against That Team Up North? I'm guessing no.

If our head coach is resting starters in The Game, we've hired the wrong head coach.

But further, if the hypothetical is expanding from four to eight to compensate auto-bids, and with the first round of games going to home teams... You're not punting the 2 seed at home just to rest your starters so you can be the 7 seed and play on the road.

If it's 8, and if you play the first round on campuses, I don't think rivalry games would be affected at all. You protect the regular season by giving the Top 4 home games.
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If I understood that scenario properly seeds 1-5 will be the auto bid conference winners. 6,7,8 are the at large.

If so then this year you are on the bubble as an at large in OSU's case but have a way to grab a guaranteed spot and 1 home game unless they seed you 5th, no? It puts even more emphasis on the CCG.

The whole thing about "they would never do that" is an opinion, not a fact. Coaches have never been put in a spot where the rivalry game was meaningless to their CFP chances while the following weeks CCG was a play in game. Therefore you don't know what a coach would do if confronted with that situation. Maybe they just pull starters out if they are down early? You see it in the NFL and this idea is ultimately just making CFB more like the NFL.

Making the CCG winner an auto bid into the CFP opens the door for that, and similar, scenarios to play out.
 
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We have an SEC problem this year. If Alabama does anything but win out, OSU doesn't make the playoffs. All the other scenarios don't matter as much.

If Bama loses the SEC championship to UGA, Bama still makes it (and UGA as well)
If Bama loses to Auburn and doesn't make the SEC championship they get into the playoff (see OSU last year)
I don't think the committee takes a team that just lost their Conf Championship over OSU unless that team is Bama.

Some of this is hinging on the committee prioritizing a conf champ over having two teams from one conf.

Oh, and ND is out, they are going to be sitting at home when every other team is having a conf championship game.
 
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Beano Cook said:
This whole damn playoff makes no sense. Play your season, have your bowl games, and take a poll. That's how it worked for decades.
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True. I was trying to explain to my husband these "scenarios" and I realized I couldn't give him a single team that was almost definitely a "lock"

Bama-- riddled with injuries, loss to Auburn would keep them from a conf championship

Clemson-- loss to Syracuse, has to play Miami in the championship game

Miami-- weak schedule, 1 less game than everyone else, challenge to beat Clemson

Oklahoma-- great offense/poor defense which could get them in hot water with either WVU or TCU (or both)

Wisconsin-- SOS is poor, probably the most challenging conf Championship game, no respect from committee

Auburn-- 2 losses, with possibly 2 tough opponents ahead of them


It continues through to #10. Unlike last year, I can't name 1 team that's gonna be there.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
If I understood that scenario properly seeds 1-5 will be the auto bid conference winners. 6,7,8 are the at large.

If so then this year you are on the bubble as an at large in OSU's case but have a way to grab a guaranteed spot and 1 home game unless they seed you 5th, no? It puts even more emphasis on the CCG.

The whole thing about "they would never do that" is an opinion, not a fact. Coaches have never been put in a spot where the rivalry game was meaningless to their CFP chances while the following weeks CCG was a play in game. Therefore you don't know what a coach would do if confronted with that situation. Maybe they just pull starters out if they are down early? You see it in the NFL and this idea is ultimately just making CFB more like the NFL.

Making the CCG winner an auto bid into the CFP opens the door for that, and similar, scenarios to play out.
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I personally like it at 4, but agree that if it's moved to 8 there needs to be home field advantage for round one. But to clarify, I don't think the auto-bids mean 1-5 and at large 6-8. If you are a 10-3 pac12 champ you could be #8, and a 12-1 pac12 team that got upset could be #6. Or more perfectly, look at last year. OSU #3 and psu #6 or whatever.

Having said that, I don't think there should be auto-bids if it goes to 8 teams. There's no need, it only forces you to take a bad team. For example, 95% of the time a conference champ will be in the top 8 anyways. But you may get a random 8-5 champion that doesn't deserve to be in whatsoever. So why make it an auto-bid?

Edit: and one other thing I've seen elsewhere is the top non-power 5 team getting in. I would add a qualifier that they need to be in the top 12. What if the top team is an 11-2 Boise ranked #21. That's going to get you in the playoff? I'd need an undefeated team or maybe a 12-1 team who played a legit OOC schedule. 13-0 WMU last year and Houston the year before if they would have finished 12-1 (they didn't, but their OOC schedule was pretty damn impressive with Oklahoma and Louisville) are examples of teams who I could see being deserving. Obviously the classic non-power 5 team of boisie that beat Oklahoma or either Boise/tcu when they played that one bowl game a few years back.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Edit: and one other thing I've seen elsewhere is the top non-power 5 team getting in. I would add a qualifier that they need to be in the top 12. What if the top team is an 11-2 Boise ranked #21. That's going to get you in the playoff? I'd need an undefeated team or maybe a 12-1 team who played a legit OOC schedule. 13-0 WMU last year and Houston the year before if they would have finished 12-1 (they didn't, but their OOC schedule was pretty damn impressive with Oklahoma and Louisville) are examples of teams who I could see being deserving. Obviously the classic non-power 5 team of boisie that beat Oklahoma or either Boise/tcu when they played that one bowl game a few years back.
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This year's undefeated UCF team is another good example. Still, no auto-bids should also apply to any auto-bid for top Group-of-Five team. If the committee ranks a Group-of-Five team in the top eight then great, let that team in...otherwise, sorry, Charlie.
 
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UrbanBuckeye said:
I don't get how TCU or Miami winning out helps us. That makes zero sense.
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Miami winning out eliminates Clemson and TCU winning out eliminates Oklahoma. I think we would end up getting in over TCU, Oklahoma is the only Big 12 team making the playoff this year, IMO. TCU is 3 spots behind in the poll currently and I don't think a win in a rematch in the Big 12 title game would be enough to volt them over us (with us beating Wisconsin in the B1G title game)

If BOTH of those happen it's great for Ohio State, because that leaves 2 openings

Alabama, Miami, ?, ?

Pretty much any scenario of us making it involves Bama winning out though. Bama losing makes it really really difficult.
 
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