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2015 Sugar Bowl Less Civilized Thread (Arguments/Shenanigans)

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tidefan1 said:
Oh c'mon! What are you thinking coming here and spewing such truths? We must bow down to the omnipresent Buckeye fans who are all knowing! ( except that the only argument that can win is by denigrating their opponents). Maybe we should only have three players on the field on offense since they are the only ones that amount to much, the center, the QB and Cooper. If we didn't have those guys, we would not have scored a single point all season.
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Yes, God forbid I don't come in here and claim every player on Alabama's roster is the best player to ever grace the gridiron. How rude can someone be to disrespect Bama so horribly!?
 
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  1. Carry your opponent's proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it. The more general your opponent's statement becomes, the more objections you can find against it. The more restricted and narrow his or her propositions remain, the easier they are to defend by him or her.
 
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kujirakira said:
  1. Carry your opponent's proposition beyond its natural limits; exaggerate it. The more general your opponent's statement becomes, the more objections you can find against it. The more restricted and narrow his or her propositions remain, the easier they are to defend by him or her.
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At least this is the trash talk forum. It's easy to see why there is one now.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
You may be mistaking my initial point. It wasn't that Sims is "an excellent QB." My initial, and main point, revolved around his rushing yards total. I'm not sure, maybe you're just unable to project players from one system to another. You see Sims stay in the pocket and only get a few hundred yards on the ground and automatically think "well [Mark May] he can't run very well." But if he were at OSU, he would have designed runs, and quite a bit. And to think he wouldn't be able to rush for more than JT was able to is just naive.

And yes, I have caught a couple of Bama games. Not every snap like you said but I see a guy doing what he's been told: stay in the pocket and get it into Cooper's hands. It's like you're unable to imagine someone who's in one system and project him to another. He wouldn't be playing the same way at OSU as he is at Bama. It's not really hard to understand, and no data is needed to be pulled (ironically enough you pulled just as many statistics as I did considering I only grabbed JT's rushing yards and Sims' INT/Sacks and you pulled both Cardale's and Sims' rushing totals).
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Sims would not be starting at Ohio State because he would have lost the job to Miller. Then he would have lost it to Barrett. Both of which I wholeheartedly believe are better athletes.

Also, a lot of our QB rushing yards aren't even coming from designed runs. When protection breaks down, they take off with the ball.

I'm sorry, I don't think Sims is a great athlete at the college level. I think he's decent with one hell of a dangerous weapon and a few other good receivers. I watch him play. He gets rattled, he folds under pressure, he doesn't scramble when he should, etc.

I mean if you want to debate how many yards he would have in a different system, it's up for grabs. There's no way to know, really.

Go watch the games. Tell me what typically happens when the line breaks down.
 
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UpNorth_Buckeye said:
Ok, now I'm starting to believe that you don't know anything about the dude. Firstly, he only has been sacked 10 times and thrown 7 interceptions. So there's that. And their offense is more pro-style. Not many designed QB runs. JT Barrett would have had over 1,000 yards if not for his injury. So you're correct, I would change my original number from 800 to 1,200. Oh, and that's in college not high school. And lastly, I'm fairly certain your perception of Bama fans and their opinions on Sims was pre-season, not post-regular season.

Edit: Oh one more thing that maybe you didn't know; he was recruited out of high school as an athlete. As in, he's an athletic dude. As in, if in a system that asks the QB to run, he would be able to run, and run, and run. But at Bama they don't ask that.

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Because it's the Playoffs and loser goes home...I expect Saban and Co. will let Sims run more than in previous games. Sims high school coach, who has sent several players to the NFL, said that Sims was the best athlete that he had ever coached. It would have been interesting to see how Sims would have played on a run/spread option team.
 
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