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2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

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If it were up to me, it would be Cardale's job to lose. If someone else wants the starting job, they have to take it from Cardale. He can make all the throws, he has won 3 BIG GAMES....HUGE games! I'm sure everyone has noticed, the flight of the football just looks "different" when he throws it vs. the other QBs on the team. The way Cardale throws, it reminds me of Joe Flacco. This kid might be the most NFL ready QB tOSU has ever had.
September can't get here soon enough.
 
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grnvllbuck said:
If it were up to me, it would be Cardale's job to lose. If someone else wants the starting job, they have to take it from Cardale. He can make all the throws, he has won 3 BIG GAMES....HUGE games! I'm sure everyone has noticed, the flight of the football just looks "different" when he throws it vs. the other QBs on the team. The way Cardale throws, it reminds me of Joe Flacco. This kid might be the most NFL ready QB tOSU has ever had.
September can't get here soon enough.
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It's hard to argue with you. It's like having 3 wonderful places to go on vacation. You can only go to one place, and you are going to enjoy all that place has to offer, but you know you will miss out on all the things the other two places have to offer.

If we take Urban at his word (I do), he said that, "The QB is a product of those around him." JT won games with an OL, running game, receivers, and a defense that was growing, but not grown up. Cardale played with a dominant offensive line, a beast in the backfield, mature receivers, and a defense that found itself. It's apples and oranges. But in Cardale's column is that wonderful arm. It allowed the OSU offense to compliment power running with downfield passing - and it was a thing of beauty.

But JT is my guy. The entire playbook is available when he is in the game. He can execute every concept in the offense. Braxton and Cardale do some of the concepts better than JT, but JT can do all of them well. Will Cardale be effective throwing deep if Devin Smith isn't there? Will Braxton be able to throw effectively at all or stay healthy? I'm just glad I don't have to decide what to do. It's like declaring which of my children is my favorite. But even tho I'm a JT guy, if its Cardale or Braxton, I'm behing them 100%. It will be the CFB story of the summer, for sure. Really interested in seeing how it ends up.
 
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It's not just about the deep throws to Devin Smith. It's also about the ropes 30 yards down field on a dime to Jalin Marshall. With all due respect to Miller and Barrett that's a throw they can only dream of making and that single throw opens up so many other things in the Buckeye offense. I'm a huge fan of all three on and off the field but I'm in the camp that says one of the other two has to beat Jones for the job.
 
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Bill Lucas said:
It's not just about the deep throws to Devin Smith. It's also about the ropes 30 yards down field on a dime to Jalin Marshall. With all due respect to Miller and Barrett that's a throw they can only dream of making and that single throw opens up so many other things in the Buckeye offense. I'm a huge fan of all three on and off the field but I'm in the camp that says one of the other two has to beat Jones for the job.
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Like I said, that wonderful arm. You are right. Those ropes he throws are game-changers.

I would just point out that any lateral option play can't be run with Cardale. When he tried it in the B1G champ game, he sat down on his butt, and that play was never to be seen again. You also have to consider what happens when a team has the ability to stop the wham and other power running plays and cover. My argument for JT is simply that he threatens you with the whole playbook: read option, power run, intermediate passing, edge concepts, downfield passing, etc. Because of that, he is a nightmare for defenses. And, I would like to see him execute with the grown up offense and defense that Cardale enjoyed.
 
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You also have to consider what happens when a team has the ability to stop the wham and other power running plays and cover.
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With Cardale, they can't, as we saw in the three games in which Cardale started. There's a reason why Zeke's "only" three 200-yard games came while Cardale was the QB, despite playing against top-flight rush defenses.

We faced five teams ranked in the top 23 in rushing defense, including three in the top four. Here's how Zeke did, broken down by who was at QB:

Barrett at QB:

Michigan State (#1) 23-154 (6.7 ypc)
Penn State (#3) 26-109 (4.19 ypc)
Michigan (#15) 17-121 (7.12 ypc)

Jones at QB:

Alabama (#4) 20-230 (11.5 ypc)
Wisconsin (#23) 20-220 (11.0 ypc)
 
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Well, you can definitely get into a chicken/egg argument when you are looking at it, but I recently looked at the defense we put on the field against Indiana and scUM, and it was amazing how much better they performed in those last 3 games. I'm sure Cardale helped Zeke and Zeke helped Cardale. The coaches deserve big raises for how they put those players in the position to synergize one another. But it's hard to separate them definitively from the OL and WR performance as well. Given that, I fall back on the idea that JT gives Ohio State the option of executing the entire playbook, while the other two options require chunks of it to be set aside. Regardless, Go Bucks!
 
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