2015-16 Ohio State Quarterback Discussion

[Hstead]

I didn't realize Cardale plaed defense too? So Cardale beat them?

 

[maximumblitz]

I love to think about Bud Foster's predicament .... it is a little bit hard for him to dream up an exotic defense over the summer to stop tOSU. All 3 QBs are so different.

 

[buckeyesin07]

I think JT does all the things Braxton doesn't do, and that's why I want to see him be the starter. No, he can't run like Braxton, and he can't make some of the throws that Cardale can, but he checks more of the boxes than the other 2 guys, and taking the VT game out of the equation, it would be hard to name an OSU QB who had a better year than JT had in 2014. To me, it's a no-brainer, but the reverence for Braxton's brilliance scrambling/running and Cardale's brilliance throwing is understandable. At the end of the day we are talking about a resume that shows a B1G record 45 TD's responsible for in just over 11.5 games. And there are people who want that guy to hold a clipboard, and wear a headset and a baseball cap? Sorry. I will never understand that. If JT Barrett is fully healthy, he has to be the guy. Any other choice has to involve emotion more than reason.

There are good arguments to be made for each of the three being the starter. Sorry. I will never understand anyone who claims that this situation is "a no-brainer."

 

[cincibuck]

In 2011 Miller beat a Wisconsin team that had at least as much talent as the team the Bucks could muster and had the Bucks up by three scores at Nebraska before going out and letting Bauserman light up the stands with his deft passing. He also beat Wisconsin in Madison in 2012. JT beat MSU in East Lansing. MSU lost to Ohio State, but proved themselves to be capable of beating #4, 5 or 6 Baylor in Texas, their only other loss coming at Salem against Oregon.

 

[cincibuck]

I didn't realize Cardale plaed defense too? So Cardale beat them?

I hear you, but the idea of a QB being credited with a team's win is not something I invented; been around for some time now.

 

[buckeyesin07]

In 2011 Miller beat a Wisconsin team that had at least as much talent as the team the Bucks could muster and had the Bucks up by three scores at Nebraska before going out and letting Bauserman light up the stands with his deft passing. He also beat Wisconsin in Madison in 2012. JT beat MSU in East Lansing. MSU lost to Ohio State, but proved themselves to be capable of beating #4, 5 or 6 Baylor in Texas, their only other loss coming at Salem against Oregon.

Autzen is in Eugene, but yeah.

 

[jlb1705]

What team has JT played against that had equal or better talent? What team has Braxton beat that has equal or better talent? They have both proven they can beat the [Mark May] out of a team with slightly less talent. I guess we could say MSU has equal talent over the last 3 years and Wisconsin may have had equal talent one of the last 4 years. Cardale has shown that he can beat two teams that have equal and probably more talent.

I think you are overestimating the supporting cast from 2011 and 2012 and underestimating the supporting cast from 2014.

Braxton Miller carried the team on his back for a couple years - sometimes against teams that were, if not more talented, at least more experienced or better prepared.

Also referring to last year's team as less talented than Alabama or Oregon is really selling them short. I thought that whole championship run kind of demonstrated that they took a back seat to nobody.

This is a silly path for this debate to go down. There are a few months left for Miller and Barrett to get healthy. Then there will be a competition in fall camp. I sure am glad that's how Coach Meyer says he's gonna decide this thing rather than how it's being talked about here.

 

[kujirakira]

Both Miller and Barrett have faced a single team that had comparable or better talent than us at the time of the game, and both those teams were named Michigan State. Miller lost to them in the 2013 B1G CCG and Barrett beat them at their place in 2014. Conversely, two of the three teams Jones faced were better than Michigan State and the third team was pretty comparable to Michigan State...and he beat them all. Keep in mind he beat the #1 and #2 teams in the country, in consecutive games, at neutral sites. So I'd tend to agree with what Tampa is saying...

I don't think Wiscy was on the same level as MSU this year, though their Ds were statistically even I guess.
Splitting hairs... but I wouldn't put Oregon's D there either - they're all about that Offense.
Alabama and 2013 MSU are the best Defenses in recent history, followed by 2014 MSU and Wiscy. The likes of VTech and PSU arguably had better defenses than Oregon and scUM's was on par in scoring and better in other categories.
Otherwise agree.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

I don't think Wiscy was on the same level as MSU this year, though their Ds were statistically even I guess.
Splitting hairs... but I wouldn't put Oregon's D there either - they're all about that Offense.
Alabama and 2013 MSU are the best Defenses in recent history, followed by 2014 MSU and Wiscy. The likes of VTech and PSU arguably had better defenses than Oregon and scUM's was on par in scoring and better in other categories.
Otherwise agree.

For 12 Gauge: Wisconsin's 2014 defense ended at #4 in total defense, even with the 558 yards we put on them. Alabama ended at #12 despite our 537 yards against them.
For Barrett: Michigan State's 2014 defense ended at #8 in total defense despite the 568 yards we had. scUM's defense ended at #7 including the 416 yards they gave up to us.

12 Gauge lead us to 87 offensive point and 1095 yards against the #4 and#12 defenses.
JT lead us to 84 offensive points and 984 yards against the #7 and #8 defenses.

 

[kujirakira]

For 12 Gauge: Wisconsin's 2014 defense ended at #4 in total defense, even with the 558 yards we put on them. Alabama ended at #12 despite our 537 yards against them.
For Barrett: Michigan State's 2014 defense ended at #8 in total defense despite the 568 yards we had. scUM's defense ended at #7 including the 416 yards they gave up to us.

12 Gauge lead us to 87 offensive point and 1095 yards against the #4 and#12 defenses.
JT lead us to 84 offensive points and 984 yards against the #7 and #8 defenses.

I'm not much fussed with how many yards they gave up. Of all the lazy statistics, it's one of the worst.

4. Alabama 16.6
8. PSU 17.7
12 MSU 19.9
13 Wiscy 20.0
16 TCU 20.3
17 VTech 20.4
28 scUM 22.4
29 Oregon 22.5
30 FSU 23.0
34t Minny 23.4
43 Baylor 24.2
66 Cinci 26.8
80 Navy 28.3
83 Maryland 28.9
84 Kent St 29.0
92 Rutgers 30.9
98 Purdont 31.7
102 Indiana 32.8
108 Illinois 33.9

 

[bukIpower]

I have no idea what's going to happen here but what I will say is this... 12 gauge seems to play his best when the lights are on (sort of like Troy did) and is 3-0 against teams ranked12 and above. From the small sample we have personal I hope Cardale starts so it will take pressure off Zeke and the running game. However in saying that we do seem to turn the ball over more with 12 gauge as starter and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason JT ends up as starter.

 

[MililaniBuckeye]

However in saying that we do seem to turn the ball over more with 12 gauge as starter and I wouldn't be surprised if that's the reason JT ends up as starter.

Uh, remember JT's second game of his career? He had a pretty shitty game turnover wise also. Granted, it was the second game for the OL as a unit, but VT's defense isn't what Wiscy's or Alabama's was. Also, two of the four turnovers in the Oregon game weren't his fault (Smith's fumble and Marshall's pass bobble for interception), and one of the two turnovers in the Alabama game (Zeke's fumble) wasn't his fault.

 

[bukIpower]

Uh, remember JT's second game of his career? He had a pretty [Mark May]ty game turnover wise also. Granted, it was the second game for the OL as a unit, but VT's defense isn't what Wiscy's or Alabama's was. Also, two of the four turnovers in the Oregon game weren't his fault (Smith's fumble and Marshall's pass bobble for interception), and one of the two turnovers in the Alabama game (Zeke's fumble) wasn't his fault.

I actually agree with you here Mili but what I'm trying to say Is in camp I'd bet whoever turns the ball over the least has the best odds at starting. Honestly I'm so torn over this debate and with good reason.

1. Braxton's jersey is my only jersey I own (name on the back and everything) and honestly maybe the most electrifying QB at OSU ever.

2. I was a big advocate for JT to start over Braxton in season about from the Rutgers game on and still feel he's one of the best distributors we've ever had

3. Then there's CJ. Huge arm, refuses lose, great with teammates, keeps everyone lose, and led our team through the toughest three game stretch ever in our fine history.

We really can't lose and IMO best scenario= CJ starts, Braxton is a gadget/red zone weapon, and JT redshirts somehow.

 

[kujirakira]

Uh, remember JT's second game of his career? He had a pretty [Mark May]ty game turnover wise also. Granted, it was the second game for the OL as a unit, but VT's defense isn't what Wiscy's or Alabama's was. Also, two of the four turnovers in the Oregon game weren't his fault (Smith's fumble and Marshall's pass bobble for interception), and one of the two turnovers in the Alabama game (Zeke's fumble) wasn't his fault.

VTech's D was in the same range as Wisconsin's. Particularly since we played them before Maddy's knee was destroyed. Their D was legit. Their Offense was just atrociously god-awful, while Wisconsin had Melvin Gordon.

 

[Mike80]

Isn't this about the time that one of the sages of BP (like @osugrad21 or @LordJeffBuck ) swoop in with a timely "Trust the Coaches" and the thread goes away until August or so?

One can hope, right?