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2014 TSUN Shenanigans and Arguments

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alexhortdog95 said:
You did NOT just come onto a football board and say Soccer is the best?

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Not really a soccer fan but I like their system. You don't have to get hot at the right time like you do in the NCAA tournament or the NFL where only 1 game matters. You have to be good and consistent for the whole year in soccer to win the league.
 
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BayBuck said:
Possibly the only sport that has historically ended the season with the "best" team as "champion" has been pre-BCS CFB. Everyone else gets a playoff champ, which is great and admirable of course, but is not exactly the same as being "the best". I give you 8-seeded 1985 NCAA tourney champ Villanova.
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Except that the people/computers determining the "best" didn't always agree.

Of Ohio State's seven national championships, only two can be considered unanimous: 1968 and 2002. The rest - 1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, and 1970 - were "split" with at least one other team.

On the other hand, there were five seasons - 1944, 1973, 1996, 1998, 2012 - when Ohio State might have been the best team in college football but finished #2 or #3 and didn't get a chance to play for a national title.

There's no perfect solution. I'm glad that there was a two-team playoff in 2002, disappointed that there was one in 2006 and 2007.
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
Um...

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Yep, I'd say so.
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Again, a ring for winning a 12 team, end-of-the-season tournament. It is not proof that you were the best team that year. That is a myth the NFL sells you.

The same way that most folks in the media are saying, "Oh, that Ohio State team hasn't played anybody, that's why they're able to win with their 2nd and 3rd string QBs."

Be prepared to defend Buckeye Honor if you guys win the championship. Cause you'll have plenty of this same stuff coming your way.
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Are you serious? If we beat Alabama and Oregon/Florida State, nobody is going to say anything except for a few Baylor 'tards.
 
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buckeyegrad said:
Again, a ring for winning a 12 team, end-of-the-season tournament. It is not proof that you were the best team that year. That is a myth the NFL sells you.



Are you serious? If we beat Alabama and Oregon/Florida State, nobody is going to say anything except for a few Baylor 'tards.
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Hopefully Sparty shuts them up.
 
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Was USA Hockey the best program in the world when they beat the Russians with a bunch of college kids? Or were they just the best team that day? The final 4 in football is a hell of a lot different than the 12 teams that get into the NFL playoffs. Is there a sub .500 (or the college version of an 8-4 team) in the playoff? What if Carolina wins the Super Bowl? Are they then the best team in the NFL? Or were they just the hottest at the right time?
 
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buckeyegrad said:
Are you serious? If we beat Alabama and Oregon/Florida State, nobody is going to say anything except for a few Baylor 'tards.
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Please, man! We already have SECEspin whining about expanding to an 8 team playoff. They were whining about the committee jumping you guys up and leaving Baylor and TCU both out of the playoff. Not to mention all the SEC Haters in Bammer that are going to go all Finebaum on you guys if you win.

Then, there's Frosty too.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
Except that the people/computers determining the "best" didn't always agree.

Of Ohio State's seven national championships, only two can be considered unanimous: 1968 and 2002. The rest - 1942, 1954, 1957, 1961, and 1970 - were "split" with at least one other team.

On the other hand, there were five seasons - 1944, 1973, 1996, 1998, 2012 - when Ohio State might have been the best team in college football but finished #2 or #3 and didn't get a chance to play for a national title.

There's no perfect solution. I'm glad that there was a two-team playoff in 2002, disappointed that there was one in 2006 and 2007.
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Yes, that is all true, and that's why I loved it! The messiness, the discussions that are never settled even decades later, I always appreciated the traditional college bowl/poll system for its uniqueness. Now we'll have people saying "Oh you guys just got hot at the right time", but then one team will flash their rings and that's that. It's really not better or worse, just different.
 
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Baseball had the best system to determine the best team prior to 1994. Hard to argue with only the top team of each of the four divisions getting a shot after a 162 game season, no inter-league play, and a seven game series to determine who advances to the World Series and wins it.
 
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BayBuck said:
Possibly the only sport that has historically ended the season with the "best" team as "champion" has been pre-BCS CFB.
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Having a bunch of people vote for who they think is #1 is hardly proof of anything, much less proof of "the best". Hell, for several years they voted for the "national champion" before the bowl games, some of which "the best" team lost.

Add to it that there are over 100 teams so most of them don't even play each other and I'd argue it's possibly the worst way to select a champion. At least the NCAA tournament makes it possible for the top teams to meet each other, as long as they don't fuck up along the way.
 
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alexhortdog95 said:
The 2006 Brazilian Soccer team wants to talk to you on that one, LOLZ
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I think they're referring to club soccer, such as the Premier League. Everyone plays everyone else - home and home - and the team that finishes on top is the champion. No playoffs. No tournament of any kind.
 
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Jake said:
Having a bunch of people vote for who they think is #1 is hardly proof of anything, much less proof of "the best". Hell, for several years they voted for the "national champion" before the bowl games, some of which "the best" team lost.
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Well, sure. "Best" is almost by definition subjective, but CFB was one of the only sports to allow for such subjectivity in its "championships" -- and I never had a problem with that.
 
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BayBuck said:
Now we'll have people saying "Oh you guys just got hot at the right time",
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They're saying that about you guys right now. I think it's a disservice to say that, because players still need to play, and coaches still need to coach.

Hell, they're saying that about Free Shoes right now. But you gotta admit - crab legs, stolen soda, and raped co-eds (allegedly) aside.....

Fisher and Crabby are a winning combo. They find a way to win the games.
 
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