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2014 tOSU Defense Discussion

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Across the board, they're about the same size as that 2006 Gator line.

Concerning because if a team has the patience to run the ball, they could find some holes.


... I just had a terrible flashback of Pittman possibly having a career day and Tressel forgetting that he even had a running game. Oh God.
 
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I'd hardly call that a conclusion. It's not like I'm declaring this Dline will be a liability.

However, Meyer indirectly gave a comparison to his best defensive front as a coach. That particular front being slightly undersized and surrendered some yards to teams that like to run some 2-1/2-2 kind of power.

Of course that Gators line didn't have a 330lb mountain like Carter in the rotation. This just might be the giddy kid in me, but I'm most excited to see this 2nd squad Dline play. Carter, Hill, Miller, Sprinkle, Schutt, Frazier etc etc.

I think there will be hardly any drop off in effectiveness from the 1st team to the 2nd team. THAT, is truly exciting to me.
 
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Buckeneye said:
I'd hardly call that a conclusion. It's not like I'm declaring this Dline will be a liability.

However, Meyer indirectly gave a comparison to his best defensive front as a coach. That particular front being slightly undersized and surrendered some yards to teams that like to run some 2-1/2-2 kind of power.
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Florida's defense gave up 72.5 yards per game and 2.7 yards per carry in 2006. Their worst game was giving up 135 yards rushing to South Carolina. The best an opposing back did against them was 5'11" 197 lbs Brad Lester of Auburn and 5'9" 214 lbs Mike Davis of South Carolina who ran for 94 yards each.

I think your analysis is flawed in two main ways: 1) that Florida's defense in 2006 was somehow weak against power run teams and 2) that you can compare defensive fronts across different teams in different years based on size.

I think it's a silly thing to worry about, especially since one of Ohio State's absolute best defensive lines ever was also undersized. I've made this comparison before but (I threw in Florida for fun):

2002
Will Smith 6'4" 250
Tim Anderson 6'4" 289
Kenny Peterson 6'4" 265
Darrion Scott 6'3" 271

vs

2006 Florida
Derrick Harvey 6'5" 262
Ray McDonald 6'3" 280
Steven Harris 6'5" 285
Jarvis Moss 6'6" 261

vs

2014
Noah Spence 6'3" 252
Adolphus Washington 6'4" 288
Michael Bennet 6'2" 288
Joey Bosa 6'5" 285
 
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Buckeye86 said:
Florida's defense gave up 72.5 yards per game and 2.7 yards per carry in 2006. Their worst game was giving up 135 yards rushing to South Carolina. The best an opposing back did against them was 5'11" 197 lbs Brad Lester of Auburn and 5'9" 214 lbs Mike Davis of South Carolina who ran for 94 yards each.
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Team rushing yards I would consider more vital. The combined average of the rushing offenses Florida faced that year graded out to 64th. Interesting enough I looked into the correlation between that and the average passing offense that year.

In that year Floriduh played against 46th overall average passing offense. Not exactly top 25, but clearly faced teams that favored a passing game.
 
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Buckeye marathon on B1G network. Showing the B1G champ game. Now that I'm watching it sober, not only did we have some serious personnell issues - but discipline issues as well. Two personal fouls on the first drive alone.

If there are any corrections that can be made this season by coach Ash and Johnson, it's the hope that our DB's can work on getting their heads around to at least peek at the ball. Grant is looking like Chekwa out there. Also our defensive line to recognize a screen. I love Bosa's aggressive style but it cost him a couple playmaking opportunities.

This loss might hurt. It isn't as painful as a couple that I can (and cannot) recall.
 
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Buckeneye said:
Now that I'm watching it sober
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Lots of hype and butterflies building up to the late kickoffs, but yeah ... the problem with the evening tee times in those marquee games is that I rarely remember anything the following morning. I can remember trivial details about noon kick blowouts against overmatched opponents going back more than a decade, but the late games are one big drunken run-on fog.

Damn I love College Football.
 
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Dryden said:
Lots of hype and butterflies building up to the late kickoffs, but yeah ... the problem with the evening tee times in those marquee games is that I rarely remember anything the following morning. I can remember trivial details about noon kick blowouts against overmatched opponents going back more than a decade, but the late games are one big drunken run-on fog.

Damn I love College Football.
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Couldn't have said it any better. I barely remember details of the Big 10 championship, and I went to gameday set, and went to a bar down the street from the stadium. 4th quarter turned hazy and I woke up on a friends couch with a bunch of texts from friends from around the country mocking the Buckeyes and saying they can't win big games... Oh what a night
 
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With very little set in stone for his offensive line thus far, Warinner said they can benefit greatly from the group of guys they go up against everyday in practice.

“They’re as good as I’ve seen in my career, so they’re pretty good,” Warinner said of the OSU defensive line. “To go against them everyday, we either have to step up to the plate and compete at that level, or we’re going to look bad at practice.”
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http://thelantern.com/2014/08/depth...ting-position-battles-for-ohio-state-football
 
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I've been saying that all spring. I'm not worried at all about our offensive line. They'll be playing against the best Dline in the country every day in practice so Saturday's should be almost easy.
 
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Just watched The Game from last year. Wow. That was painful viewing. Literally painful. I really hope Ash and Johnson are bringing something different to the table and our returning starters have turned a corner. I need to see it to make me a believer. They don't call it preseason hype for no reason. We have miles, continents to cross from how bad we were last year. That's not going to be an overnight thing.
 
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I'm strangely optimistic about the secondary. IMO the problem often went back to the safeties. Burrows and Bell looked good when they got to play last year. Knowing that there's even more talent behind that... and having Ash... I feel good about it. There's a player I feel very tentative about, but it looks like the talent is there to either push him or displace him.

What has me worried is the LB corps. Perry, Grant, Williams, and Berger weren't cutting it last year. I have a feeling that we need youngsters to step up and run away with it like Laurinaitis did as a Frosh (when Carpenter got injured).
The recruiting hull we got was absolutely vital with how depleted this unit is... but I haven't heard if any of them are ready to push for a starting position now, and it's not realistic to expect it from true frosh either.
 
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With the addition of coaches Johnson and Ash we may have reached the point where we could have a better defensive staff than offensive staff and that would be pretty amaze balls!
So, it really just gets down to how the young guys starting do.
Mostly in the secondary.
 
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